What will the eventual outcome of this shift to passive investing be? What is “too much”?
Statistically, only around 50% of active managers beat their benchmark each year, stay with that same fund manager over 3 years, 5 years etc. and the probability that they beat the benchmark consistently falls and falls. When average passive fund charges are 0.1%-0.4% and active management around 0.8% - well over 1% for some funds and the world seems to finally be waking up to the fact that the majority of a portfolio should be in low cost passive funds.
Source - financial professional for 16 years.
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Individually, it's rational to go with a low cost index fund rather than a high cost manager or picking stocks yourself.
But I also think there's something fundamentally broken and self-referential when the majority of fund flows are determined by passive rules rather than research into a company's financial prospects.
Traditionally the thinking was that the price was determined by a thick market of traders doing their own research. The market price then reflects the marginal trader's opinion as to the value of the stock.
But what happens when the marginal trade price is determined by passive fund flows rather than financial analysis? Price may no longer reflect a trader's opinion of the financial value of the company but instead reflect some aggregation of the rules that govern the major passive funds.
Traders, then, in response to this, now need to base their stock valuations on an analysis of these passive rules rather than on financial analysis of the company. Thus increasing the self-referentiality of the markets.
I think this is what is scaring people. I'm not sure what to think, honestly. But I can see why some people think the dominance of passive funds means that "price discovery" is broken.
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Why a majority and not all? And isn't it a concern that the passive fund company gets voting rights in the companies they invest in and their investors don't?
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Good question.
There are too many investors who believe index or passive funds are too conservative.
Too many investors think they can and should beat passive funds.
Is bitcoin hodling a passive investment?
I think so but that’s mostly good thing
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For most people most of their equity is in their home or investment properties
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Let’s pretend passive investment is 100 percent.
We can fire every active fund manager and their staff etc.
No one is trading futures, derivative and options?
No more day trading?
No more trading of individual stocks?
No more cnbc and Cramer lol
The world would definitely be different but I don’t see this happening
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10 sats \ 0 replies \ @OT 13 Feb
More people outsourcing financial responsibility
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There was a guy on here just the other day looking for passive income and then being rather unfriendly toward the kind people sparing their time to inform him of his idiocy. $0.05m is nothing. Fiat is still overwhelmingly dominant.
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More efficient but monocultural danger. Pick some stocks here and there to spice it up!
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Underperformance for investors and price distortion are the outcomes. I think we are past the point of too much.
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