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Options for cloud storage w/ no KYC, paid in btc?

3496 sats \ 39 comments \ @elvismercury 18 Feb privacy

I've been taking baby steps to try to reduce my surveillance-state footprint. I'd like a source for cloud storage that I could pay for with btc, with no additional KYC. There seem to be some options (filen is one) but what I'd really like is something like "Mullvad for storage" where you pay them btc, you get some services, end of story.

I can see why there might not be such a thing (child porn, etc) but figured I'd ask what the best options are, according to stackers -- if you have to KYC / dox yourself, which services are the most minimal and most trustworthy? Some of you must have dug into this already.

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242 sats \ 4 replies \ @sebastix 18 Feb

https://rclone.org/

Proton Drive

0 sats \ 3 replies \ @elvismercury OP 18 Feb

Proton requires KYC for an account, no? But I didn't know that they took bitcoin, that's good to know, thank you.

118 sats \ 1 reply \ @sebastix 18 Feb

I think Proton is quite a good way to reduce your surveillance-state footprint.

I started using it two years ago. I'm only using email for now and setting up their drive / storage service is on my backlog. My goal is to use it as an extra offsite backup storage location. I'm also running two Nextcloud instances on my own machines.

132 sats \ 0 replies \ @elvismercury OP 18 Feb

Proton seems, practically speaking, about as good as you can get for a larger company. And, after doing a little more research, it does seem you can open an account with no KYC and fund w/ bitcoin! So maybe that could be an option.

Wish Proton Drive worked w/ Mountain Duck :( though I appreciate the pointer to rclone, hadn't heard of that before.

10 sats \ 0 replies \ @orange_crush 19 Feb

No KYC, signup with burner email; pay for proton+ with bitcoin.

136 sats \ 1 reply \ @kepford 18 Feb

I'm curious if what you described exists. What I do for sync is use Syncthing self hosted. I do use cloud for backup up encrypted locally before upload.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @elvismercury OP 18 Feb

Yeah, I have some local solutions too, and that's an important element, but I'd like to know how to do this where my physical location is not a single point of failure.

134 sats \ 1 reply \ @Majere 18 Feb

You could just build out a NAS and self host your media/files. Be your own cloud & if you have the space and upload/download speeds rent some space out and accept sats for storage

10 sats \ 0 replies \ @elvismercury OP 18 Feb

That's close to my current solution, but trying to reduce my on-prem attack surface.

108 sats \ 0 replies \ @douglaz 18 Feb

Many providers provide free tiers with only an email. See what's compatible with rclone.

108 sats \ 2 replies \ @joda 18 Feb

Filecoin lol

0 sats \ 1 reply \ @elvismercury OP 18 Feb

You laugh, but in theory at least, that's the issue it's meant to solve. IPFS would in theory be a solution too, but without the Filecoin incentive layer, my sense is that you can't guarantee that anyone will host your shit, or control when they stop.

(Happy to be corrected if I'm wrong.)

21 sats \ 0 replies \ @joda 18 Feb

I concede it to be a great project and use of peer to peer distributed tech. I was just skeptical anyone on SN would use it.

Probably right about the lack of guarantee. It's probably best used for redundant backup than storage.

108 sats \ 8 replies \ @benthecarman 18 Feb

Can you buy a VPS and store on there, will be a bit expensive though

0 sats \ 2 replies \ @elvismercury OP 18 Feb

Still the same issue, right? Or can you get a VPS with no KYC and pay in btc? Happy for recs on that account, too.

239 sats \ 0 replies \ @ek 18 Feb

kycnot.me is a good site for no KYC stuff. They have some VPS listed. I have not used any of them though.

Your issue will probably be more to get enough cloud storage since cloud storage is the expensive part.

30 sats \ 0 replies \ @benthecarman 18 Feb

Just Google private vps, there's a ton of options

0 sats \ 4 replies \ @Eobard 18 Feb

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0 sats \ 3 replies \ @ek 18 Feb

Why would a VPS be less secure than using Proton Drive?

0 sats \ 2 replies \ @Eobard 18 Feb

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100 sats \ 1 reply \ @ek 18 Feb

The question is, would you rather trust some random VPS provider, or Proton who has E2EE by default and a good track record?

Mhh, good point. However, whatever provider, I would recommend to not store any data without encrypting it yourself first. I think that would require the least amount of trust.

no matter what

is not true. They will only see random garbage if it's encrypted.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @Eobard 18 Feb

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21 sats \ 1 reply \ @m00ninite 18 Feb

Run your own with nextcloud

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @cyberpunk02 18 Feb

yeah I was waiting for this, it has good integration into linux and all your divices also

35 sats \ 0 replies \ @sudocarlos 18 Feb

Proton

21 sats \ 1 reply \ @JesseJames 19 Feb

Proton drive, hands down. They were just kicked out of India which means they are doing something right :-)

10 sats \ 0 replies \ @TNStacker 24 Feb

THIS RIGHT HERE!

10 sats \ 2 replies \ @PanningForSats 18 Feb

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0 sats \ 1 reply \ @JesseJames 18 Feb

small data center that accepts Bitcoin Where is that? If you don't mind me asking, got a link?

10 sats \ 0 replies \ @PanningForSats 18 Feb

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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @Car 21 Feb

Get a synology nas, these are great esp behind a pfsense.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @billiam 19 Feb

VPS on 1984.is, pay with Monero. no-kyc.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @orange_crush 19 Feb

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0 sats \ 3 replies \ @arrivederci 18 Feb

The concept of 'the cloud' is bullshit

It's a marketing term for glossing over the fact that you are storing stuff on servers owned and controlled by a corporate entity

#NeverOnAServer

100 sats \ 2 replies \ @elvismercury OP 18 Feb

The concept of 'the cloud' is bullshit

Strong disagree. The term is a good description of generally not knowing or caring where exactly something is stored. You're probably right that a lot of people don't understand what it entails exactly, but that's a general problem with reality or with humankind, not with the concept.

108 sats \ 1 reply \ @arrivederci 18 Feb

of generally not knowing or caring where exactly something is stored

Exactly. How is that a good thing ?

And the use of the word 'cloud' is precisely meant to encourage this type of thinking. It's vague and fluffy.

I'm not down on people and humankind, I don't blame them when they're being manipulated by disingenuous language. I'm down on the people who create that propaganda (and will also call out the people who propagate it, without necessarily blaming them too).

8 sats \ 0 replies \ @elvismercury OP 18 Feb

Exactly. How is that a good thing ?

It's a good thing because it's needless complexity in most people's lives, and that's what abstractions are for in this and in every other aspect of life.

I give zero shits about which drive my stuff is on in the datacenter, or which datacenter it's even in, or even what content it's on -- it's in the cloud, someone else can figure that out. I know the API they're exporting and the services I'm paying for and the terms within which they deliver those services. That's enough.

I'm not down on people and humankind, I don't blame them when they're being manipulated by disingenuous language.

I agree with this sentiment; I guess we diverge forcefully on how misleading this language is.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @koqoo 18 Feb

Vup - a private and decentralized open-source cloud storage app with encrypted file sharing and media streaming support.

10 sats \ 0 replies \ @Eobard 18 Feb

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