What USD amount do you feel comfortable holding in a custodial Lightning wallet?
Share your preferred custodial wallet in the comments and let us know why you prefer it!
None, self-custody only6.8%
0 - 50 USD18.2%
50 - 100 USD11.4%
100 - 250 USD22.7%
250 - 500 USD12.5%
500 - 1000 USD10.2%
1000 - 2000 USD4.5%
2000 - 5000 USD3.4%
5000+ USD10.2%
88 votes \ poll ended
Preferred custodial wallet: https://www.blink.sv/
Not supporting USA phone numbers :(
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Not sure how I didn't think of that. Thanks for the reminder!
300k sats is max life, whatever the USD price may be, if you're bigger than that, you should be able to on-chain with a UTXO that wouldn't be considered dust in high fee environment but don't quote me on that one
Best answer by far. This pretty much my approach.
Not sure about 300k. I’d stay around 500k - 1M to be sure. Unchained published a good article about it
Tell that to ordinal bros moving 256 sats at a time
But what if you frequently make/receive payments of 1M sats and don't want to self-custody Lightning? Moving that between on-chain and Lightning each time will be expensive.
Seems risky vs. my calculation #442514
Point taken, I guess you either die hoping for covenants or you hope you remember to consolidate during a bear market lol
Up to 5% of my total stack
Interesting. That might change over time as well if your total stack’s purchasing power increases.
I think it all depends on how much you actually have. If you're with in billions, holding a few thousands in any kind of wallets wouldn't be a big deal. But when your wort is in the thousands, you will always be in some kind of fear even while holding a few hundreds in any custodial wallet.
100% agree
I will never understand Bitcoiners who still use custodial LN wallets while Phoenix exists...Ok for non bitcoiners merchants who don't want to spend time to manage their liquidity, and just receive payments without a bank account.
But otherwise, with Phoenix, Zeus, Blixt, Bitkit, Breez, Umbrel already and others already existing and working well or extremely well, it makes not much sense to me, really.
For example: you know that in a week you will spend 1M sats over LN. Then spread that into 2-3 wallets or whatever your are comfortable with.
Thanks for the suggestions.
All that is bullshit crap fiat mindset. And that's why we will never make it.
This I agree with, your lightning wallet is denominated is sats full stop!
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I don't have USD. I only have Bitcoin. Tell me what to do? I am still single, can't ask for USD to someone who is a loyal and compassionate Boyfriend.
Got me confused you use USD. Not Satoshi way.
These days my only custodial wallets are Cashu wallets (Minibits, eNuts, Nutstash, npub.cash) as they offer additional features that make the trade-off way better, such as privacy, censorship-resistance, irreversibility and offline availability. I just use them for very small amounts, mostly for getting zaps on Nostr, but everyday I move the funds to my own node.
Did you keep larger amounts on custodial lightning wallets before ecash?
No, basically the same.
It will be interesting how the bands for this squeeze as spot price rises...
When Bitcoin is $500K you'll find it uneconomical or even difficult to send small amounts, of less than $10 or so, due to how the real costs of settling HTLC's shapes network fees and routing.
On the other hand, as usage in-terms-of-dollars increases along with spot, the cost-benefit shifts in favor of self-custody.
LSP's will find it increasingly difficult to sell channels to hobbled devices like mobile nodes when a channel costs rise to $50+, and have to tie up increasingly more dollar-denominated capital.
At the same time the TCO of running a real home or cloud node, being only a few dollars a month, falls on a relative basis.
These are just a few reasons the mission for shockwallet and lightning.pub is so important, making remote nodes great again, by giving users an ability to share that node with friends and family to recoup self-hosting and channel costs.
Keep it under 1M sats
I expressed it in USD because I anticipate that individuals will reduce the quantity of satoshis they hold in custodial wallets as the purchasing power of a satoshi rises.
I'm planning to earn at least a million SATs for the purpose of buying my dream bike
250 - 500 is ok especially as my holdings are small
$250 is my number.
#319682
300k sats and use it in education cause. When I bought it, it was $70. Now it's a little more
2000usd
thats crazy to me that there is people over 5k- ing it
Hi
I mean ... what people see as "small pocket change" can vary quite a bit
Exactly, I think that is the point many are missing.
I'm really surprised by these results.
Care to elaborate?
I just wrongly assumed everyone did exactly like me lol.
I receive my direct deposit in custodial lightning.....
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