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Updated my May 2023 guide about RoboSats and Bisq and made the presentation more palatable with Markdown. Hope this is useful to someone out there:
  1. RoboSats and Bisq are platforms where you can get your sats without having to KYC.
  2. RoboSats is short for Robotic Satoshi. It lets you generate a robotic avatar when exchanging your sats.
  3. RoboSats employs the Lightning Network whereas Bisq facilitates only on-chain Bitcoin payments. So, you can swap Lightning Network BTC to on-chain BTC and vice versa on RoboSats. Note that RoboSats is so far the only platform that uses LN as the trading currency, giving it an edge over Hodl Hodl Bisq, & LocalCoinSwap.
  4. RoboSats requires you to use it with the Tor browser. Bisq also uses Tor but Tor is already in-built into the payment protocol of this desktop application. Bisq comes with a trading token called BSQ - which may be distasteful to people who have zero tolerance for shitcoins.
  5. Since RoboSats uses the Lightning Network, it has a 3 million sat limit to ensure that transactions can go through completely.
  6. Bisq wallet can be imported into Electrum. This facilitates your management of the funds you buy from Bisq over LN.
  7. Both platforms require you to have BTC first before you can buy BTC - as an assurance that you won’t waste other users’ time with empty promises.
  8. Many users use platforms like Strike, Revolut, CashApp and even PayPal to accept payments but if you are particular about your privacy, cash by mail orders, Amazon gift cards or even cash in person would be your best bet.
  9. Bisq is non-custodial and decentralised, which makes it harder to be shut down. Bisq is FOSS, so you can contribute proposals aimed to improve it. RoboSats could be shut down if the sole operator were arrested for whatever reason.
  10. If you run your own node, you can apply to be a RoboSats Federation Coordinator. Having experience with node management helps with Bisq too as you need to update the bitcoin.conf file and connect to an unknown node to make transactions happen.
Bisq 2 will be released today.
The main differences between Bisq 1 and 2 are Bisq 1 will have:
  • No trading fees
  • No need for bitcoin buyers or sellers to have a security deposit
  • Less on-chain transactions
  • Options for buyers to receive payment on-chain or via lightning
  • Individual trades are limited to up to 0.01 BTC / 1 million sats
  • Fiat to bitcoin trades only to start with
  • Multiple trade protocols, first will be Bisq Easy
Bisq 2 is aiming to to make No KYC more accessible to no-coiners and existing bitcoiners looking to start stacking their first no KYC sats.
It will be available for download later today from https://bisq.network/
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looks like i updated this at the right time! thanks for the alpha
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Both are great software and so much better than any exchange
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Wow! a great share and you are to thr point as always. I like robosats btw.
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Robosats is fantastic! Since moving to China though, I've moved to VPN usage over TOR so I use HodlHodl now. It meets my needs currently
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Thanks for sharing. Didn't know anything like this before. I am new here. Also new in Bitcoin. You guys are amazing, I keep learning new things everyday
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Helpful info! Good post!
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Robosats is making Good progress. Having sats in the wallet before making a transaction is a great idea.
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Thanks for this -- it's super helpful.
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RoboSats could be shut down if the sole operator were arrested for whatever reason.
Is that right? I admit I don't know how it works under the hood, but I know you can self-host the front-end of RoboSats (there's an app for Umbrel, for example).
Is the RoboSats backend completely dependent on some single point of failure?
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I think they have added more coordinators as part of a federation to increase their decentralization:
Anyone can apply to be a coordinator.
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Great info and detail!
Non-KYC, Peer-to-Peer as Satoshi intended!
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Thanks for clarifying my misconceptions!
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