My question is what is the DEFI for? Why would a Bitcoin holder want it?
Apart from trying to access stablecoins without selling your Bitcoin and having liquidity pools for AMMs to swap between stablecoins of a different breed IE USDC to USDT or maybe Bitcoin, what is the real function?
The DEFI space is there to sell the dream of netting transaction fees, from traders, which often isn't that much, as on-chain validators take most of it, and to farm token inflation to try and keep pace with the tokens you're holding devaluing against Bitcoin
Those centralised companies that failed took a large part of their treasuries and aped it directly or via 3AC into defi ponzis like Luna, which blew a hole in the balance sheet. Celsius also had tonnes of capital locked up in various liquidity pools on UNI and farming some really shit shitcoins during DEFI summer desperately trying to earn a yield but it never materialised
DEFI smart contracts have to be deployed by someone, they have to be maintained, upgraded, monitored, they're not some sentient program, they are not some AI, they're just a different way of deploying what you would have otherwise done on your centralised engine hosted on your own server, offering a little bit more transparency
Is there a place for Automatic market makers? Sure, but I don't see it becoming more than a niche use
I'd love to take loans in a trust-minized way and not have to sell/spend my BTC to realize its benefit.
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Any loan requires a counterparty, or several and that requires trust, you will have to decide for yourself how much that risk is worth, lets play this out
You could go fully collateralised on-chain P2P with a service like hodlhodl, but liquidity is not great so you have to limit your size or take out multiple loans and try to balance your LTV and interest rates in a range you can comfortably sustain over the repayment period (still trusting the stablecoin issuer IE tether)
A step above that could be doing it on a side-chain like Liquid or Rootstock, again liquidity is even less and you're using a layer with different trade-offs to the basechain, IE you still have to peg out later
Then theres the CEFI route, you pick a company lets say its LEDN or Unchained and you work with them, if anything goes wrong you have a multi-sig key to recover and you have someone to sue for breaking your contract terms
Then theres the wrapped Bitcoin, smart contract bridge altcoin DEFI where you're trusting
  • the wrapped custodian wallet/smart contract bridge+ off-chain oracle
  • the smart contract/AMM/Indexer
  • The cloud provider/servers hosting the nodes
  • The wallet provider IE metamask/Infura backend
  • the chain validators
  • the stablecoin issuer
  • You also risk bots washing you out of your position because they're looking for loans that can be liquidated since all this data is public
While you might think you're getting a good deal on interest rates versus the other options, you have to factor in MEV, paying all the gas fees to lock in the deal and for all your repayment transactions
Like Nerd says, DEFI its trust maximised
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Then don't use DeFi. You're involving MORE trust and MORE risk NOT LESS. It is not trust minimized it is in fact trust maximized. It has more individual people who can pull the rug along the chain of trust.
I've commented on another post of yours. One where you reveal that you bought into lie sold by scammers that maxis are just maxis because of the blocksize wars. I can't speak for everyone, but the Maxis I know are BORN FROM BEING SCAMMED. Maxis were born from ICO scams, even more Maxis were born from DeFi scams, for some Maxis all it took was taking a look around and realizing nobody is taking any of this seriously, but Bitcoiners.
You're not going to understand Maxis because you don't even respect why we get so angry at people pushing scams in the first place. There are moments when I have to look at a nym on the internet and I have to ask myself if the person I'm talking to knows better and is trying to scam or doesn't know better and is just parroting the words of some other scammer.
For you, I want to say you're just stupidly naive. You think what you're looking at is technical reality and you're too pompous to recognize how the technical aspects interface with the social. You think servers just run code their supposed to run and everyone follows the rules that are set out in your rulebook. You don't have a hacker mindset. You fail to think adversarially. I can be naive myself sometimes. I can think people are mistaken rather than malicious.
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You can just say you don't understand how DeFi works.
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