> if you want to use those HW, go ahead... more sats for me

I guess, I can find answer to the obvious follow up *how* question in your posts, but could you perhaps explain what do you mean?

I know people that use a HW but then they store the seeds of the HW in a book on their desk, or in the notes application of their phone. I've seen it with my own eyes.

I still have an offline setup that I use regularly. But my main use case is for when I leave this world. No one in my family would be able to understand my setup and recover anything. 

IMHO is too much paranoia with these HW.
Use the 3 levels stash method and your hodl stash is absolutely secure.
I had in the past some HW but I gave them away to noobs. Not useful for me at all.

Read more here:
- https://darth-coin.github.io/beginner/be-your-own-bank-en.html
- https://darth-coin.github.io/wallets/tails-hodl-cold-wallet-en.html

But if you want to use those HW, go ahead... more sats for me.

DarthCoin

Need.. probably not. Since 2014ish, I've always signed txs from an air gapped device (outside of lightning's hot wallet).

bitcoin

I need to stop buying wallets

RocketNode

Need.. probably not. Since 2014ish, I've always signed txs from an air gapped device (outside of lightning's hot wallet). 