> Time stamps
> 
> 04:51 How Kevin discovered bitcoin
> 07:29 New business models
> 22:11 Cash app vs organic wallets
> 27:02 Medium article
> 34:52 5-10% payments lost
> 37:25 Stable coins
> 43:20 Lightning and privacy
> 45:37 Centralisation
> 48:11 Liquidity on Lightning is centralizing
> 50:13 What you have learned from your guests
> 51:54 Criteria for investing in Lightning companies
> 55:36 VC and TAM - total addressable markets

> Today I speak to Kevin Rooke. He studies the Lightning network. We discuss how big the network already is, the new business models it will enable, how easy it will be for most people to earn sats and much more. A very enlightening episode indeed.

> [@kerooke](https://Twitter.com/kerooke)
> 
> https://www.kevinrooke.com/podcast
> 
> medium article
> https://www.kevinrooke.com/post/the-lightning-network-is-bigger-than-you-think
> 
> [stakwork.com](https://stakwork.com)

earnbitcoin

> "[Paying the users is] a tool [these platforms] can use."

> "On Stacker News, I'm not earning Stacker News points. On Fountain, I'm not earning Fountain points.  On both, I'm earning sats."

> "People will be able to earn for the value they provide to the platforms they use."

The link for an audio podcast was shared previously, here on SN:

*Great conversation about lighhtning with Kevin Rooke*
https://stacker.news/items/48996
https://www.theswissroadtocrypto.com/home/episode/21824aff/how-to-earn-sats-on-lightning-kevin-rooke