Ordinals must be solved culturally \ stacker news ~bitcoin

509 sats \ 11 comments \ @ZezzebbulTheMysterious 12 Apr bitcoin

Ordinals has always been a cultural problem, not a technical one. No technical solution can resolve spam at scale. There is no way to resolve this in code. It must be resolved in meat space.

One way to fix this problem is to make ordinals the most uncool thing in "crypto". You can do your part by reinforcing that Ordinals are highly uncool, abusive spam, and anyone involved in a fraud and a scammer. Anyone can take a shit in a public park, but most don't, because its not fucking cool. "You cant stop me" is a juvenile quip that highlights and also reinforces a self-awareness that ones behaviors should not be condoned.

I will always tell ordinal aficionados what i think of them to their face. Vandals, Barbarians and Spammers. The wrong side of history -- just a Footnote.

This article today really bothered me:

https://www.coindesk.com/consensus-magazine/2024/04/12/the-halving-highlights-why-bitcoin-needs-to-upgrade/

No. Fuck you Bob Bodily. Bitcoin works great when your shitty marketplace isn't spamming the chain with trash. Fork off. Make something useful with your life, instead of an abuse marketplace.

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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @ZezzebbulTheMysterious OP 14 Apr

I just had another HTLC timeout bleed out 16k sats @ 123s/vb. The channel only ever routed a few tiny tx's, making less than 10s in fees.

These ordinal spammers are bleeding good faith operators. They think its just something that can be ignored. It cannot. Bitcoin must scale, and ordinals and other spam (out of protocol usage of the bitcoin protocol to store arbitrary, unrelated spam data) are just limiting its usefulness.

DO NOT LET THESE SPAMMERS CONVINCE YOU THEY ARE ADDING VALUE They are smashing the structures we have spent years building, and daring you to try to stop them.

0 sats \ 3 replies \ @lloyddunne 13 Apr

One way to fix this problem is to make ordinals the most uncool thing in "crypto". You can do your part by reinforcing that Ordinals are highly uncool, abusive spam, and anyone involved in a fraud and a scammer.

This is literally what people do now already lol

Ordinals are opt-in, so just opt-out and never mention them

0 sats \ 2 replies \ @ZezzebbulTheMysterious OP 13 Apr

You can’t opt out of the block spam issue. I got LN channels force closed and sats in limbo that won’t confirm until the spam subsides.

10 sats \ 1 reply \ @lloyddunne 14 Apr

It's unfortunate you don't like the Bitcoin network being used

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @ZezzebbulTheMysterious OP 14 Apr

It’s being abused. The spam is out of protocol noise. It’s bloating the UTXO set. It’s driving up fees with no economic basis. We are losing LN node operators due to the risk and cost of running nodes under continuous high fee environment.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @TheBTCManual 13 Apr

lol I run knots, it makes me feel like i am doing my part

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @badabing 13 Apr

You can bet they'll try to make the halving about their spam.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @topical 13 Apr

They’ll resolve it themselves when they run out of sats paying for overpriced transaction fees during hype cycles