1628 sats \ 5 replies \ @nerd2ninja 1 May \ on: if bitcoin became illegal by law (part two) Personal_Finance
lol.
lmao
You STILL have fucking monero in this poll? You act like Monero is the simple solution to this problem. It isn't. At all. supertestnet Evaluating my bitcoin privacy techniques against three surveillance attacks
Also, why is "Flee the country/Sell Bitcoin now, buy back when rehomed" not in the option list? That's a sane answer.
Let me put it this way, if the state said you weren't allowed to own money, what would you do? They find out you've been doing capitalist shit like buying eggs from your neighbors, are you just gonna up and die?
Also, what the hell is the difference between peaceful protest and be a criminal until caught?
The real answer to this is to observe your surroundings. In your scenario, neighbors, friends, and family members were arrested why is that? If that means they were all transacting in Bitcoin, and you're saying my network is in jail, then that's a lot better than what the default imagination would conjure which would be the idea that you're ALONE. If you're the only one, your neighbors will turn on you if for no other reason than to be left alone.
So my network is in jail. If there's a possibility they'd have multiple levels of multi-sig and maybe I'm one of their key holders, but it might be up to a year until the timelock on my key allows me to spend (in conjunction with other members) for them. Or not, maybe knowing if they just remember their seed phrase, they'll be rich as hell when they get out is enough for them who knows. Lots of people have lots of different setups depending on what purpose the sack of sats serves and what they believe their threat model to be.
The reality of this scenario, is that this will ultimately result in the formation of violent gangs because its the only way to sustainably resist a state while living within their jurisdiction. Prison gangs have actually taken over prisons and cans of mackerel are their money.
If the continued use of Bitcoin for people in prison is desired, it would require further discussion. Creating digital signatures by hand isn't exactly easy. I saw a prison laptop once, but it was in a video about hacking it and the guide on how to boot a custom BIOS and OS to it was the reason they were actually removed from prison (idk if they reintroduced them later or something) so not have an automatic math machine makes it a bit difficult. I know @supertestnet made hedgehog, but I'd have to hear his input on how easy he might think it would be to do that protocol with pen and paper.
Anyway, a discussion on how to transact Bitcoin while in prison is where I would take this whole discussion lol. However, the sane answer to your question, is to "Flee the country/Sell Bitcoin now, buy back when rehomed/illegally migrate out of the country (aka be a refugee) without selling the Bitcoin".
And yeah if I'm not allowed to run then it is true that I value my freedom more than my life so.
James 14:4 "Why, you do not even know what will happen tomorrow. What is your life? You are a mist that appears for a little while and then vanishes."
I'd have to hear his input on how easy he might think it would be to do that protocol with pen and paper
not easy
for hedgehog to work you have to create a preimage & hash in every transaction, as well as two bitcoin signatures. A guy in this video shows how to create a preimage & hash with pen and paper. It looks like it would take about 8 hours of full time work and you'd probably make a mistake somewhere, so you'd likely need a team of three people to check your work. It is my understanding that creating a signature manually is about twice as difficult as creating a hash manually, and you need two of those per transaction so it's about four times as much work to make the signatures. So you're looking at five days of 8 hours of work for a team of four people -- per transaction.
But why do this with pen and paper? In this hypothetical scenario, did the USA also confiscate and ban all graphing calculators? It only takes a graphing calculator about a second to calculate a hash or a signature, so you'd simply have to program it for that -- and I'm sure such programs would be released as shareware. (There's one for gameboy already, so start with that and modify it for a ti-86, which should be easy because they are both 8bit processors with Assembly support. Or literally use a gameboy.)
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But why do this with pen and paper? In this hypothetical scenario, did the USA also confiscate and ban all graphing calculators?
Well idk maybe.
and especially if they found out you were basically able to earn money from within the prison using the calculator lmao.
I mean look, there's always other stuff we can look at. I've seen math machines made with plumbing, kinetics (the non-electronic toy) and all kinds of stuff so who knows.
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Also, why is "Flee the country/Sell Bitcoin now, buy back when rehomed" not in the option list? That's a sane answer.
how is this a sane answer? what makes you think you can flee the country and keep whatever gold, cash you have?
congress passed a bill: you cannot protest against Israel.(due to student protesting) Rights are taken at an accelerating rate, don't you think?
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I include illegally migrate aka refugee status.
Its sane because once its over you can live a peaceful life. If you stay, you stay through hell.
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yah.
I like "go where you're treated best" by nomad cap
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