Simply... the best thought out answer (in my humble opinion) within a day or so will receive the bounty.
I'm not providing context as I would really love for the answers to be completely your own.
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one where i get left alone
more seriously: full respect for property rights inc. bodily autonomy -- no murder, no violence or threat thereof, no theft, no destruction of property, etc.
what the world would look like as these laws unfold i could not say, and it certainly would not be classified as a utopia for all. but it would, i think, at least be fair.
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what the world would look like as these laws unfold i could not say, and it certainly would not be classified as a utopia for all.
What about reaching this world without murder, violence, theft WITHOUT changing the laws? We just become richer economically.
I honestly think that a lot of crime is just rooted in poverty or any reason that is 2 steps removed from the underlying reason of poverty. Ever seen a rich person steal makeup from Walmart? I doubt. That wouldn't solve all crime, sure. But we'd be a lot closer to your utopia.
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I honestly think that a lot of crime is just rooted in poverty or any reason that is 2 steps removed from the underlying reason of poverty. Ever seen a rich person steal makeup from Walmart? I doubt. That wouldn't solve all crime, sure. But we'd be a lot closer to your utopia.
however i think i push back against this claim as i think crime has more to do with inequality and poor law enforcement than anything else. i don't believe most thieves in western democracies are stealing because they are starving: they are stealing because a) they feel justified as they feel the system is rigged against them and / or b) they can get away with it.
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crime has more to do with inequality and poor law enforcement than anything else
Let's take this thought to the extreme: Everybody is rich. Everybody has a mansion in the countryside and a NYC skyscraper apartment and a dozen cars etc but the world is still unequal: Jeff Bezos has a Yacht and a private island and a personal spacestation.
You think there would still be theft? Why should anyone break into another house if they live comfortable anyways. Why should anyone waste their time patrolling the streets against home break ins or robberies?
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i was thinking about your post-scarcity thought experiment last night. it's an interesting question when you push it to the extremes.
on the one hand, i am inclined to agree with you. while there are reasons to steal other than satisfying material wants (such as protest and general hooliganism), one could argue that the plebs would be so inundated with their fantastic lives that they wouldn't really notice that bezos continues to stiff them.
yet on the other hand, humans are status-oriented creatures and this is a relative game. if everyone has a yacht, but bezos has 100 yachts coated in gold, then i truly do believe that a sizable chunk of the population would feel hard done by this and would cause chaos as a result. because the goal is not to acquire yachts, but to climb the social hierarchy. and if you cannot climb it through competence (perhaps you are low-iq or uncharismatic) then you instead ascend through violence (tearing apart bezos). i think this is inherent in human nature and a rare case of "bitcoin does not fix this".
time will tell. it would be nice if you were right.
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oh by laws in this instance i am referring to natural law rather than anything explicitly defined in a legal system / constitution / etc. the former is self-evident, the latter requires some kind of authoritative body to enforce and so is circular and self-defeating: you require a group of people capable of enforcing violence to protect you from, uh, people enforcing violence.
so for this reason i don't typically find political discourse to be all that compelling or useful. i am not too interested in voting on who gets to steal from me via taxes. advances in technology that tip the incentives towards freedom and property rights do far more for humanity than anything discussed in the houses of parliament. this is why bitcoin is so fascinating to me: it's a self-contained system where all the laws in my utopia are upheld.
i suspect we agree on most things, my original comment was worded poorly.
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I asked for the most thoughtful response - I think because you came back to clarify your original comment means that you were questioning yourself and came back with more thoughts on what you believe to be your utopia and that is why I paid the bounty to you :)
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thanks!
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welcome :)
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The People are busy, healthy and happy. Enjoying their lives and feeling part of the community.
The Elites are not sociopaths and care about the society. 😄🌅🙏
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I think uptopia would be where everyone is kind to each other. There is no currency in which to trade with, everyone works and everyone gets food. There is enough for everyone. I know, that is socialism. But socialism has never worked. If there was a perfect system, it might. Without people being greedy.
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143 sats \ 0 replies \ @anna 8 May
First of all, food and water would be abundant and distributed evenly. People would have complete rights to the land that they work to improve and live on. If this could be accomplished, I believe much of the fighting and greed would be eliminated already. Hoarding food and property would not be permitted - basically use it or lose it.
A strong sense of community would be needed to help people find purpose. If people were taken care of and didn’t use currency to trade, my hope is that they would be busy in what they are passionate about and what best serves their community.
I think spirituality would be very important to reinforce (not dictate!) this system. There would need to be strong spiritual leaders to guide the community into seeing that they are all one working towards a common goal. And to help those who are lost to find their purpose.
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To me it is simple, Utopia is a time and place where the least respected, most down-trodden in the society or community have legal and fair treatment under the law.
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Everyone has augmented reality vision. And I don’t mean digital images superimposed on the real world. I mean people have augmented political reality vision. They can see if the person/organisation they are interacting with is corrupt or not and how closely they are entangled with other corrupt individuals/organisations.
With this vision, it is hoped that, people will engage primarily with non-corrupt actors so that corruption and broken incentives are, in the fullness of time, edged out.
Highly unrealistic, of course but utopian, as requested.
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Mine is a world where society has reached a consensus in condemning the state, in the same way that we generally condemn conventional slavery.
  • People are free to pursue their versions of happiness, without arbitrary third-party constraints.
  • The only paths to prosperity come from doing things that are valued by others.
If I can get a little greedy, I would also like people to attempt to live up to their professed moral commitments. I like that there are many different visions of what an ethical life is, but I find virtue signaling very tedious.
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eolion paradise?
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It might sound basic but a place that people are healthy and able to do what they want to live. I’m not talking about people who just want to sit on the couch you have to do something productive for society but whatever it is is something you actually enjoy.
Health I think gets over looked but as someone whose life took a hard left turn after my health took a nose dive that is something important to me. I hope for a future where chronic illnesses are a thing of the past cause boy does having comorbid chronic illnesses suck!
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Enforcement of property rights and individual liberty based on natural laws
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would you be able to give more detail?
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Everyone has a right to defend his property and himself and his family from theft and violence.
Freedom of political speech and religion
The state cannot force a person to close down his business or wear a mask or take a shot.
No one should be arrested for political or scientific opinions
My vision of utopia is based on the ideas of Frederic Bastiat and Adam Smith and Milton Friedman
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A world where I get to keep 100% of my productivity, and then decide when, where and how I reallocate that purchasing power
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Utopia to me is an ideal state of mind where I have the ability to dream as well as the resources to make my dreams come true. I’m deliberately focusing on the individual because imperfection exists anyway, so we should focus on cultivating the self. I have what it takes to get what I want.
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I don't think we should be striving for utopia, that can lead us down a dangerous path. The aim should be avoiding creating a dystopia.
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I am intrigued as to why you think it could lead us down a dangerous path?
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Because everyone's vision of utopia is different. One persons utopia can be another persons hell. Think Soviet Union.
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I agree... however everyone's version of dystopia is also different, no?
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If one mans utopia is another mans dystopia, then we should stop trying to create utopias. Doesn't mean we will get a perfect society, just one that is the least bad and most fair considering the circumstances.
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If you don't mind - I will answer this another time. I have set up this bounty to get peoples opinions without my perspective skewing the answers :)
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Of course! This is actually something I've been thinking about a lot lately (avoiding dystopias instead of creating utopias), hence why I posted my answer :)
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Utopia is the absence of power (-relations)
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We reach AGI & the bootstrapping of robotics.
Imagine doing what you do on a regular Saturday every day of the week. Maybe you want to travel the world, maybe you want to do your trad homestead, maybe you find a niche hobby to do fulltime.
The best thing about this is that I might actually get a glimpse at this world in old age. I don't think I will live long enough to see it quiet unfold. But I might get a glimpse at it.
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I am anxiously awaiting that achievement, as it would open some interesting doors, or so I hope.
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No reason to be anxious.
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Nah, wrong word... As in: "Can't friggin' wait!"
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The open source community created something magical that I don't think had existed before.
People all around the world helping each other to create better things, for free, just because they can and want to.
Utopia would be something like that in my mind. Required jobs would be automated completely, things like cleaning, delivery, and other services like police, fire fighters, etc. All of that would be taken care of by machines and software at a minimum costs, which is covered by the running costs of the city, which would be small.
Each person gets allocated a minimum amount of money that provides them with shelter and basic food. Basically a large majority of people would simply exist in this reality. They simply live their lives with all their basic needs covered.
A small minority will be free to to whatever they want. This will allow them to create multiple things and share them with the world. Discoveries, new science, new advances in services, anything really. Think about how open source has dramatically changed the world, and think how adding much more people to that philosophy would give us as a species.
There are a few people that do the vast majority of things, the utopia would amplify this effect freeing talented people from their mundane jobs they have to do now to be able to have a roof over their head and some food to eat.
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For the sake of this bounty and for I owe you one reply with a post. I've just gathered my little efforts into words for answering this thought provoking question.
Here's my reply: #531235
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Living like a hunter-gatherer of the past, with the [technological] advancements of today -and future.
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I see it the same way... In addition, there is a peaceful coexistence where the village elder teaches the little ones.
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You're raised into a human being, instead of a worker.
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Talking about it... A very good book of John Seymour: The forgotten arts and crafts
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Hm, if that ain't the Amish's Bible, then what?! 🤠
On a serious note: it looks like it'd be a very handy book to the self reliance folks.
Are you self reliant? Do you have a homestead?
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I've been working a lot on self-sufficiency and survival skills. It's always good to know how to build your own tools... No. I'm well connected to farmers, but don't have an own farm.
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Hm, and in how far are you actually able to handle yourself?
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How exactly do you mean?
Utopia...mean no place. My honest feeling of a best possible world would be one with swift and aesthetic justice. A place where conflict only occur between individuals. No nations no borders. Perhaps a true religion where morals are common and nobody rules anyone else. Also excellent pizza and other food.
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I think a utopia would be a society of RULES not RULERS. “Currency” would be decentralized (like bitcoin) and would ultimately be controlled by the people as a whole; a barter system can also be implemented for trading resources for value to value (depending on needs or wants). Education should be THE CENTRAL point and free to all for it will teach future generations to be self sufficient, self reliant, and cultivate self thought. This is just a few things I would like, but I’m not nearly smart nor wise enough to know what an ACTUAL utopia would even be. The one thing I can say is that fundamentally I’m an anarchist and I don’t believe we have to be “ruled”, however we must follow “rules” that are morally good to the human condition.
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Zero violent criminals
Violent criminals are castrated
Zero riots
Clean street Safe streets like in Tokyo
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