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340 sats \ 4 replies \ @om 8 Aug 2022 \ parent \ on: Mass Exit Attacks on the Lightning Network [PDF] bitcoin
Attack 1. Bad guys maneuver themselves into key positions in LN and then suddenly turn off their nodes. Result: LN will experience problems for a short time until somebody opens new channels to fix the problem. Also it's not like maneuvering into key positions is an easy feat to accomplish.
Attack 2: Bad guys open a $100 channel, pay $100 to their other node but then close the $100 channel pretending that they never paid the $100. Watchtowers must slash the bad guys. The point of the paper is that if the bad guys do this a lot and if the watchtowers are not ready to pay higher fees then some stupid watchtowers might fail to slash before the deadline. This raises 2 questions:
  • why is the window to slash is currently just 3 days? it should be about 2 weeks at least
  • why the watchtowers are not prepared to pay a higher fee if they're about to lose $100?
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167 sats \ 1 reply \ @notgeld 8 Aug 2022
So basically this is the same as Flood and loot described in some paper 1 or 2 years ago.
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139 sats \ 0 replies \ @notgeld 8 Aug 2022
Yes, and authors say
The exploited mechanisms partially differ from those used by the attacks presented in this paper, since we do not make use of multi-hop payments, but rather direct channels between nodes.
Translation from academic: we confirm Flood & Loot scheme. However, this attack was being discussed once with Anton Kumaigorodsky who was quite skeptic about attack trade-offs by itself. Attacker has to spend a lot of money to cause congestion and after attack the outcome is not clear.
Looking deeper into history there where 3 papers about LN attacks which released simultaneously, these are:
šŸ“ Counting Down Thunder: Timing Attacks on Privacy in Payment Channel Networks šŸ“ Flood & Loot: A Systemic Attack On The Lightning Network šŸ“ Time-Dilation Attacks on the Lightning Network
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25 sats \ 1 reply \ @tbonesteaks 8 Aug 2022
Are node operators supposed to run their own watchtowers? Or, do you pay a third party to manage a watchtower for you? I think I'm not understanding where a watchtower sits in the lightning network.
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127 sats \ 0 replies \ @om 8 Aug 2022
  • if you run a node on a desktop or a server, you'd normally have the watchtower built in
  • if you have a mobile node that only turns on temporarily, then you might want to run a separate watchtower; but if your setup includes both a desktop and a mobile then you probably want to run a normal node on the desktop and Zeus on the mobile
  • older incarnation of SBW was called BLW and offered watchtowers for rent, I'm not sure what SBW does
  • Phoenix would connect to a random Electrum server and would remind you to run the app periodically
  • Breez by default connects to Bitcoin server of Breez itself so the user just has to trust Breez not to steal
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