Here's a fun little experiment to try with your friends ready to accept anything their overlords tell them to do to "save the planet".
I never challenge people on their eco-concerns. I get why they are concerned. What I tend to do is discuss the impacts of many policies on people in poor countries. How many of these policies are developed by the elites in wealthy countries with no thought for the impacts on people that still lack basic infrastructure. If many of these western polices are put in place these poor people will be cursed to live in poverty for generations instead of advancing like the western world has been able to do.
This shifts the conversation and hopefully makes them think. If they want to talk further I talk about using voluntary measures instead of force. Work on convincing people to change their lifestyle vs. using force. I've had very good conversations with progressives using this approach when talking about battery cars, nuclear power, and all of the "carbon initiatives" when they come up.
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76 sats \ 2 replies \ @398ja 25 Jun
I have a similar approach with the current mass migration issue. It turns out that almost all open borders proponents cannot its devastating impact on the third world, where most of the economic migrants are from. How could they, actually? You have to live it to understand what it is when the majority of able men leaves, or is actively planning to leave... In a way, this is very similar to what Ayn Rand describes in Atlas Shrugged
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Immigration causes brain drain in the third world?
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21 sats \ 0 replies \ @398ja 26 Jun
Absolutely!
In many African countries for example, you have more doctors, Ingenieurs etc living and working in the diaspora than in the country.
There are also millions of people who've earned an university degree in their countries but have never had a "proper" job in life, either because they didn't know anybody who could sponsor them, or the job market had nothing to offer. They'll also travel to the West, mostly illegally, to search for opportunities.
With time, it becomes increasingly unattractive for people to stay in their home countries because the shortage of skilled labour makes life harder, more expensive etc for everyone else, so the state expands, tries to do everything, but obviously this only makes things even worse...
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Regarding impact, people rarely course correct or admit my idea and policy were a mistake and we should do the opposite etc
The problem with the climate change agenda is coercion and mandates. Very similar to the politics of COVID
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