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0 sats \ 13 replies \ @RideandSmile OP 3 Jul 2024 \ parent \ on: Africa is not doomed to poverty econ
"Positive impact of colonisation ?"
Why ? how ?
"ruined their countries?"
how ? why ?
Have you live in Africa ?
I explain it in my comment. Those i have mentioned were Marxist communists that inherited relatively prosperous countries and ruined them in record time with that poisonous ideology. There are many more, like Sekou Toure in Guinea, but I doubt you're familiar with the name...
There's a reason why Ghana was called "Gold Coast". It took Nkrumah less than ten years to undo what the British had achieved in several decades. He was finally ousted by his angry people, but the damage was already done...
Thomas Sankara was not that lucky, his own people shot him. Sankara implemented Marxism with a zeal and stubborness hat would make Marx himself jaleous!
Look at South Africa today, it all started with Mandela.
The colonisation of Africa had a positive impact, there's no doubt about it, and I know exactly what I'm talking about. Same for Hong-Kong, South Korea, Singapore etc, with the only difference that they capitalised on it (like Botswana, also mentioned in the article) to lift themselves out of poverty and become prosperous.
Have you lived in Africa?
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Your explanation is too simpliste cause there are causes and their effects
Do you think it is easy to arrive at the head of gouvernement after some 100 years of colonisalisation?
Don t you think the colonizator will do everyhting for that new government to fail ?
Don t you think multinational companies will keep their factories, the ressources ... ?
How can you talk about a positive impact about Colonisation, when you invade a country, put in slavery the people, robbed their ressources.... ?
i lived in africa for 7 years. And you ?
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Sorry, but this is BS.
I will just say this: Africans practiced slavery well before the Europeans came. They actively participated in the slave trade. The article you shared tells about how former slaves in Liberia enslaved native Africans!
With respect.
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Slavery exists since the beginning of the existence of the human race.
But the trade of slavery done by France and other countries was another level
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This is also factually wrong. Arabs enslaved Africans (and Europeans! ) for a longer period, and it was extremely brutal.
Why don't you know this?
Also, do you know why there are not so many blacks in the middle East as in the Americas? Look it up, and you'll be shocked.
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The Afro-Arab communities in North Africa differed from those in the Gulf States in several key ways:
In North Africa, racial discrimination and segregation still play a major role in separating Afro-Arabs from the mainstream Arab population in countries like Tunisia, Algeria, Libya, and Morocco[1]. In contrast, in the Arab states of the Persian Gulf, descendants of Afro-Arabs from the Swahili Coast are fully recognized as citizens, even though they do not have Arab ancestry[1].
The Afro-Arab communities in North Africa trace their origins more directly to the Arab slave trade, which brought millions of Africans across the Sahara and Red Sea[4]. However, in the Gulf states, many Afro-Arabs are descended from Muslim pilgrims, primarily from West Africa, who settled in cities like Mecca and Jeddah[1].
Culturally, the Afro-Arab communities in the Gulf states have maintained traditions like the Liwa and Fann at-Tanbura music and dance, as well as playing the mizmar[1][4]. But in North Africa, the Afro-Arab cultural influence is less visible, with the Stambali of Tunisia and Gnawa music of Morocco being the main examples[1].
So while both regions have long histories of Afro-Arab communities, the North African ones face more entrenched racism and have a more direct slave trade heritage, while the Gulf states have more fully integrated their Afro-Arab populations into the national fabric, at least officially.
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[1] The Afro Arabian Community, a story - African American Registry https://aaregistry.org/story/the-afro-arabian-community-a-story/
[2] Racial Formations in Africa and the Middle East: A Transregional ... https://pomeps.org/racial-formations-in-africa-and-the-middle-east-a-transregional-approach
[3] The Gulf Scramble for Africa: GCC states' foreign policy laboratory https://www.csis.org/analysis/gulf-scramble-africa-gcc-states-foreign-policy-laboratory
[4] Afro-Arabs - Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afro-Arabs
[5] Celebrating Black History Month: Exploring the origins of 'Afro-Arab' https://www.fox5atlanta.com/news/celebrating-black-history-month-exploring-the-meaning-of-afro-arab
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I was actually referring to the castration of black male slaves by the Arabs...
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Got it
Thanks for pointing me in this direction, I had no idea
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The Arab slave trade frequently involved the castration of male slaves, particularly those destined for elite positions in harems or households:
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Castrated male slaves were highly prized and in demand to serve as eunuchs guarding the harems and households of the Arab elite[2][3].
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Systematic castration was practiced to prevent male slaves from reproducing and becoming a permanent slave class, as the offspring of a slave and Arab master were considered free[2][3].
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The castration process was extremely brutal and often done crudely, resulting in a high mortality rate of around 60%[2].
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Castration altered an entire generation of male slaves, preventing them from reproducing and ensuring a steady demand for new slaves to be captured and trafficked[2].
So in summary, the main reasons were to create eunuchs for elite service, prevent the growth of a permanent slave class, and maintain a steady supply of new slaves by eliminating the ability of male slaves to reproduce. The Arab slave trade was characterized by extreme violence and inhumanity towards the enslaved.
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[1] Why were slaves castrated throughout the muslim world? - Reddit https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/sof03u/why_were_slaves_castrated_throughout_the_muslim/
[2] The Arab-Muslim Slave Trade: Lifting the Taboo https://jcpa.org/article/the-arab-muslim-slave-trade-lifting-the-taboo/
[3] Recalling Africa's harrowing tale of its first slavers – The Arabs https://newafricanmagazine.com/16616/
[4] The eunuchs rule Arab politics - The New Arab https://www.newarab.com/opinion/eunuchs-rule-arab-politics
[5] Is there evidence that Muslim slave traders castrated any of their ... https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/5luh6c/is_there_evidence_that_muslim_slave_traders/
which countries?
what was the purpose of your move to Africa?
I'm going to assume it was not to Eat Pray Love
@erict875 provides evidence, specific examples to illustrate his points
Can you do the same?
which continent do you live now?
please don't say, dox much?
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and you , have you ever live ?
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Europeans imported the wheel to sub Sahara Africa
They were exposed to European language and culture, that's a positive
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"Positive impact of colonisation ?"
Why ? how ?
"ruined their countries?"
how ? why ?
Have you live in Africa ?
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