SN release: new referral system part 2 \ stacker news ~meta

3204 sats \ 52 comments \ @k00b 11 Jul meta

This completes the new referral system as described in #600103.

To recap:

20% of daily rewards go to referrers
- 10% to the referrer that led to the stacker joining
- 10% to the "one day referrer" of the stacker
  - a one day referrer is someone that referred the stacker the most that day, meaning the stacker clicked on their /r/<nym> links or their implicit referral links more than anyone else (more below)
in addition to /r/<nym> links, all links on SN are implicit referral links
- when you share your items (or those of others), e.g. stacker.news/items/1, it attributes a referral to the OP
- when you share your profile (or those of others), e.g. stacker.news/k00b, it attributes a referral to you
- when you share your territory (or those of others), e.g. stacker.news/~bitcoin, it attributes a referral to the founder

This last mile:

daily referral reward notification like the daily rewards one
the rewards page shows how much in referral rewards each stacker is generating for their referrers
your referrals page shows both "forever referrals" and "one day referrals"
your satistics charts have more detail and also show the new referrals stuff

View all commits here: https://github.com/stackernews/stacker.news/commits/master/

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Previous release: #593321

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196 sats \ 2 replies \ @Undisciplined 11 Jul

This is very cool!

Out of curiosity, why did you separate it from the current daily rewards? I was imagining it would become 20% of our leaderboard score.

42 sats \ 1 reply \ @k00b OP 11 Jul

It was easier to separate them. Referral rewards are given to people that referred the stackers getting daily rewards. It'd be self-referential if they were combined.

10 sats \ 0 replies \ @Undisciplined 11 Jul

That makes sense.

100 sats \ 2 replies \ @BITC0IN 11 Jul

i noticed reposts to nostr include a non refferal link back to the stackernews post

maybe make that link into a referral link by default

22 sats \ 1 reply \ @k00b OP 11 Jul

That link is a referral link. Links to items attribute referrals to the OP.

10 sats \ 0 replies \ @BITC0IN 11 Jul

oh cool, good to know

31 sats \ 6 replies \ @0xbitcoiner 11 Jul

I still don't quite understand this, what do the bars on the graph mean?

176 sats \ 5 replies \ @Undisciplined 11 Jul

I think it's the number of stackers who clicked on more of your stuff that day than anyone else's.

21 sats \ 0 replies \ @k00b OP 11 Jul

Yep.

21 sats \ 3 replies \ @0xbitcoiner 11 Jul

Explain it to me like I'm really dumb :) I didn't understand the part 'than anyone else's'

11 sats \ 2 replies \ @fm 11 Jul

im also struggling to understand

100 sats \ 1 reply \ @k00b OP 11 Jul

If today I click on 4 of @0xbitcoiner's referral links and 3 of @fm's, then "I clicked on more of [@0xbitcoiner's] stuff that day than anyone else's."

21 sats \ 0 replies \ @0xbitcoiner 11 Jul

Ah, okay! Now I get it. Thank you! From the graph it looks like I have quite a few followers.

21 sats \ 5 replies \ @Coinsreporter 11 Jul

I just saw it and then saw your post! This should definitely improve our referal system. Seems nicely implemented!

Does this +... after the reward is added to our rewards?

21 sats \ 4 replies \ @k00b OP 11 Jul

No, it's how much is going to your referrers. But that's confusing. I'll remove the +.

11 sats \ 3 replies \ @Coinsreporter 11 Jul

So, will I get 3854 or 3854-973 sats?

As seen in the image above?

21 sats \ 2 replies \ @k00b OP 11 Jul

You will get 3854 and another 963 will go to your referrers.

10 sats \ 1 reply \ @Undisciplined 11 Jul

But those 963 aren't in their estimated rewards yet, right?

21 sats \ 0 replies \ @k00b OP 11 Jul

Right

20 sats \ 0 replies \ @TheWildHustle 11 Jul

Never a dull moment on Stacker News.

10 sats \ 0 replies \ @MerryOscar 11 Jul

nice!

10 sats \ 0 replies \ @grayruby 11 Jul

Great. Looking forward to seeing if it moves the needle on new signups.

21 sats \ 5 replies \ @Natalia 11 Jul

The numbers on the leader board is getting more and more complicated 🤔

I personally like the previous system, which was way simpler, all you need to do is create good content and zap the good ones; now it's a bit forcing you to do certain things, e.g. ppl might making posts/comments for the sake of making them, or zapping for the sake of ranking higher... it feels a bit leading to an insincere number game.

100 sats \ 0 replies \ @Undisciplined 11 Jul

There are benefits to making it more complicated. For instance, if it's easier to understand "get rewards for doing stuff that's good for SN" than the precise mechanisms, then people will be less likely to game it.

You're right, though, that you always want to have an eye on what kind of behavior is being incentivized. This does seem to incentivize post quantity, in addition to incentivizing attracting new stackers.

100 sats \ 3 replies \ @k00b OP 11 Jul

You wish us not to have referral rewards or you just don't want them displayed in the leaderboard or you want us to remove the leaderboard all together?

100 sats \ 2 replies \ @Natalia 11 Jul

I don't have much problem with the referrals, as I already have the option to opt out 👀 but the leader board wise, happy to see it being removed, everyone should be equal and stay humble.

77 sats \ 1 reply \ @k00b OP 11 Jul

You wish us to remove the leaderboard or rewards all together or want us to reward everyone the same amount?

10 sats \ 0 replies \ @Natalia 11 Jul

remove the leaderboard, and maybe even go back to randomize the rewards 👀

43 sats \ 2 replies \ @BitcoinAbhi 11 Jul

Thanks! It is a great step to boost the referral system. The one day referral is unique and I think it will be the one that will create a chain system where Stackers can even share any content for one day and be rewarded for the same.

What I didn't get is—Can we also refer someone from outside and when he reads a post but does not join SN? Is he counted as one day referral?

0 sats \ 1 reply \ @k00b OP 11 Jul

Is he counted as one day referral?

No he is not. One day referrals only apply to existing stackers that are logged in.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @BitcoinAbhi 11 Jul

Thanks for clarifying!

All the best!

13 sats \ 0 replies \ @didiplaywell 11 Jul

This is huge, excellent work 👏👏👏👏

0 sats \ 3 replies \ @jakoyoh629 14 Jul

On the leaderboard, instead of displaying the amount going to referrers, why not show an estimated payout for stackers?

25 sats \ 2 replies \ @k00b OP 14 Jul

Can you explain this differently. I don’t know what you mean

154 sats \ 1 reply \ @jakoyoh629 14 Jul

If I understand correctly, the value shown in parentheses now is 20% of our rewards, which goes to referrers. Instead of this value, could you show an estimate of how much we will receive for people using our referrers links?

38 sats \ 0 replies \ @k00b OP 14 Jul

I see. Maybe

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @Sirkay 12 Jul

Waoh! Great work done.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @karanjajes 12 Jul

Okay,I think this's good. Thanks yoh

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @SatsMate 12 Jul

I got a referral on the new system. I have no idea who it is, but I would love for them to participate whoever they are.

0 sats \ 6 replies \ @grayruby 12 Jul

I don’t understand this (+ xsats to referrers). Who are the referrers these sats are going to?

50 sats \ 5 replies \ @k00b OP 12 Jul

The person that referred them to sn that led to a sign up (forever referrer) and the person that referred them the most for the day (one day referrer).

0 sats \ 4 replies \ @grayruby 12 Jul

No one referred me to SN though but it is showing 630 sats.

50 sats \ 3 replies \ @k00b OP 12 Jul

If you weren't referred to SN, all the sats go to your one day referrer rather then being split between them.

0 sats \ 2 replies \ @grayruby 12 Jul

Who is the one day referrer? How do I know?

50 sats \ 1 reply \ @k00b OP 12 Jul

We don't know who it is until the day is over.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @grayruby 12 Jul

Ok gotcha.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @16d86e9daa 11 Jul

This is really nice, the referral reward will actually boost your sats beyond your own capacity

0 sats \ 3 replies \ @felipe 11 Jul

@k00b @ek

Yesterday I received a notification saying that somebody joined Stacker News with my referral link but I just checked my referrals page and there's nothing there

Was that a bug or something?

8 sats \ 2 replies \ @k00b OP 11 Jul

Zoom out in the referral chart.

If an existing stacker doesn't have a forever referrer, you refer them, then they login, you'll become their forever referrer.

This referral is plotted when that stacker joined, which may have been years ago, not when the referral happened.

10 sats \ 1 reply \ @felipe 11 Jul

Hmm I updated the page and then I zoomed out and a small blue bar appeared showing one referrer for a few seconds and then it vanished, like if it was drained

8 sats \ 0 replies \ @k00b OP 11 Jul

Forever referrals will give you orange bars.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @IamSINGLE 11 Jul

It's huge! One day referral system, wow! It means more engagement as I can assume!