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69 sats \ 12 replies \ @Undisciplined 22 Jul \ on: Ranked: Average Working Hours by Country charts_and_numbers

Rephrase: "The US is the only advanced economy where employers aren't threatened with violence for not guaranteeing paid holidays."

42 sats \ 1 reply \ @0xbitcoiner OP 22 Jul

🤠 Will they ever be threatened? Or is it already too ingrained in the culture?

69 sats \ 0 replies \ @Undisciplined 22 Jul

Good questions. I don't know. I wouldn't say it's ingrained in the culture, most people to get paid holidays in one way or another and most people support paid holidays.

There may be some legal hurdle that makes it very difficult to mandate such a thing.

42 sats \ 0 replies \ @Satosora 23 Jul

All the places I have worked paid holidays.

42 sats \ 8 replies \ @anon 22 Jul

In this case the threat of violence by the state breaks the prisoner's dilemma of 'if the company guarantees paid holidays, it won't survive against the ones that don't'. The company doesn't have a real choice in either case.

21 sats \ 1 reply \ @Bell_curve 23 Jul

I think it's the opposite

If one company offers paid holidays to employees, then its competitors have no choice but to do the same

21 sats \ 0 replies \ @Undisciplined 23 Jul

I believe that was the point.

In a prisoner’s dilemma situation, the two competitors could cooperate by not offering paid holidays, but if one defects and offers them the other would have to do the same.

21 sats \ 5 replies \ @Undisciplined 22 Jul

Who are the two players in this Prisoners Dilemma?

153 sats \ 4 replies \ @anon 23 Jul

A company that guarantees paid holidays and a competing company that doesn’t.

Idk if prisoner’s dilemma is the right model to use here. But the point is you’re damned if you do and you’re damned if you don’t.

Scott Alexander’s article ’meditations on Moloch’ in Slatestarcodex illuminates this idea very well. It’s one of the best texts I’ve read. Highly recommended.

21 sats \ 2 replies \ @Undisciplined 23 Jul

I see what you mean. I just wasn't think about their competitors.

My mom worked at a place that started giving Black Friday off (it wasn't called that yet, though) because everyone was so useless that day they may as well have been home.