Maybe it is utopian or maybe you have to think a good system can beat a bad person, unless he perverts the system.

That was the American founders goal, right? To create a system that didn't require good men for its proper functioning. 

It's also the idea Adam Smith articulated about markets: i.e. it's not out of generosity that the baker provides you with bread.

Undisciplined

it also implies that a good system will beat a bad person

sounds a bit utopian to me. Does good systems exist (or will ever exist)?

Stacker Saloon

saloon

I like your refrain. 

But this:
> it also implies that a good system will beat a bad person

sounds a bit utopian to me. Does good systems exist (or will ever exist)?