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I'm not resorting to strawmen. You are advocating for the mass murder of innocent children. Whatever mental gymnastics you have to engage in to get to that position don't really interest me.
That you find it so triggering for someone to say it's wrong to kill children should be a wake up call.
I sincerely do hope you recover from this mental derangement. Good luck.
Oh goodness. The strawman is strong with you. You can keep your good luck.
I invite you to Israel. I'll take you to the west bank and Gaza. I'll let you experience first hand what we go through. Man enough to do it?
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Challenging my manhood, insinuating I'm antisemitic, and calling me a postmodern leftist, all for maintaining that it's wrong to kill children. Yeah, you're definitely in a healthy place.
Historically, it's the bad guys who openly advocate ethnic cleansing and genocide, while referring to the people they don't like as animals and monsters.
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You talk without any regard to the facts, put words into my mouth, attempt to defame me and ignore my questions, so it raises questions regarding your constitution. I like dealing with men of honor and dignity, not keyboard warriors who purport to be experts on topics they have only casual knowledge of and whose main talent seemingly is sophistry and strawmen. If you were a man of truth you'd get off the internet and actually visit the land you so authoritatively express opinions on
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I didn't purport to be an expert and I quoted your own comments.
You volunteered your view that killing Palestinian children is acceptable.
You volunteered your view that Gaza needs to be flattened.
You volunteered your view that Palestinians ought to be relocated.
You volunteered your description of them as "animals" and "monsters".
Those are your views, not my strawman of your views.
I'm not expressing a view about any particular land. I'm asserting the moral principle that it is wrong to kill children to meet your desired ends. That holds everywhere. Unlike you, my moral principles have nothing to do with the identities of the people involved.
America has been attacked by Muslims. I don't hate Muslims for it. America has been attacked by the Japanese. I don't hate Japanese people because of it. Get over yourself. You aren't special.
Again, it shouldn't bother you so much that I (a random person online) assert that it's wrong to kill children.
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This is what you said:
They're almost entirely finished with the ethnic cleansing that Israel was founded on
That's a statement that requires intimate knowledge of past and current events to make. You sound very sure of yourself.
Let me reiterate and state this as clearly as possible so that you'll no longer be able to put words into mouth:
- I do not advocate murder of children
- I advocate eradication of terrorists, even at the expense of their children and their people's children who are being used as combatants on the battlefield
Do you see the difference?
The conflicts involving Pearl harbor and 9/11 aren't comparable to the Arab-Israeli conflict for reasons that are beyond the scope of this comment to go into, but learning about Judaism and Islam is a good start. Probably even better than visiting the holy land at this point, so you've saved yourself a ticket.
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I advocate eradication of terrorists, even at the expense of their children and their people's children
Murder is the unjust killing of a person. You are just confirming my claim, but you don't realize it.
I don't know that you have to be an expert in Israeli history to know that a different group of people lived there in recent history and were removed from the land. We get a pretty relentless stream of Zionist propaganda, so the Israeli's version of events is pretty well known.
Since I'm not a collectivist, I don't actually need to learn anything about Judaism or Islam to evaluate whether or not killing Palestinian children is wrong. Like I said previously, my morality is not contingent on the identities of the people involved.
Thanks for playing, though. Better luck next time.
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You're either acting in bad faith or are a fool to ignore the distinctions I made in my above comment. But your interest is to defame Israel regardless of facts on the ground. Ask yourself why is this so....
to know that a different group of people lived there in recent history and were removed from the land
Wow, that's a uncanny demonstration of your ignorance. Again, I suggest you learn about the history of the land and the peoples involved to form an educated opinion on the subject...
Prioritizing the interests of your people i.e. your family and your nation over those of foreigners is not collectivism. Another strawman. It's the natural tendency of healthy human beings and is a derivative of natural law. But I didn't expect you to make the distinction.
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You're either acting in bad faith or are a fool to ignore the distinctions I made
I didn't ignore them and that's not an argument.
But your interest is to defame Israel regardless of facts on the ground. Ask yourself why is this so....
Back to this lazy smear, huh? The facts on the ground are that the Israeli government is refusing to engage in real peace talks, while killing tens of thousands of children. I don't think slaughtering children is an inherent value of Judaism, so I don't think opposing it makes me antisemitic.
Also, "Prioritizing the interests of your people i.e. ... your nation over those of foreigners is not collectivism." literally, yes, that is collectivism. I don't think family and friends are the same, though, because you have personal relationships with those individual people. Basing your analysis of morality on the groups people belong to, rather than the actions the individuals have taken, is the definition of collectivism.
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