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Anyone who thought the national debt problem in the United States was dramatic should turn their attention to the Europeans. The dysfunctional eurozone is drifting further and further apart. While the North still has its debt halfway under control, with Germany at around 80% of GDP, the national debt of the South is going through the roof. Italy in particular, as one economic heavyweight of the eurozone with 173% of GDP, has the potential to become a major explosion factor in the coming crisis. If this economic pillar falls, the eurozone can no longer be saved.
The European Central Bank is facing a difficult few months, considering that it is taking on massive amounts of debt while the economy is still bobbing along at a reasonably stable pace. If the recession accelerates and tax revenues collapse, things will go dark. Fiat pumps will be running hot in order to carry the junk debt of these socialists into the future.
Kamala Harris set the direction during the DNC: unrealized profits are to be taxed, corporate taxes will continue to rise, and in general the fiscal burden will increase massively, whether through direct taxation or through inflation.
A small side note: it is interesting that it is Russia of all countries that has a national debt under control. It is still a mystery to me how the Europeans in particular could presume to intervene in a war that a) they could not afford and b) was already lost from day one for various reasons, if you look at energy availability.
Tom, don’t worry. “We owe the debt to ourselves”! 🙃
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It's true, that's one of the things Stephanie Kelton and the MMT bunch are right about... these numbers literally don't mean anything because there's no real denominator.
Pointing out these big numbers for shock value is trendy, but it's not an effective mechanism for education... people reflexively think that things can be tweaked or disciplined into getting the number down, or at least stop it from growing. This misses the really interesting thing about the system, is these numbers CAN'T slow or go down without ending the system altogether.
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68 sats \ 1 reply \ @ken 22 Aug
You hear this all the time, and it makes your head spin.
Banks own the debt. Default on the debt, and bank balances go poof
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Banks are just an obfuscation layer, they can't poof in a vacuum or we wouldn't have needed Bitcoin at all.
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Makes me think of this gem from The Onion
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Ah, the good old days. Debt at a mere 10 trillion.
Loved the bit about disguising the US as Canada!
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Lol
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oh yes, that's right. just forget it. then everything is fine. It's all just madness. and it's not portrayed at all in the press in its impact...
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I think it’s important not to let crazy things such as the gargantuan public debt load get under your skin.
That which appears absurd may continue to be absurd for far longer than one’s back of the envelope calculations predict.
Governments are interested in managing the debt, not clearing it.
When I was a gold bug I was convinced that things would come crashing down ‘very soon’ and gold would soar to $5k. Yet, here we are, many years later, with the debt load much higher and gold only half-way to my predicted price.
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you are absolutely right. this will take many more years and I don't see a crash of the dollar in relation to other currencies. the way politics works is to force the debt on others, squeeze in funds, banks and other institutions and buy more time.
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Yes. Exactly. You're at a negligible 1/100 ratio of devaluation of the dollar. Its non existent when compared to ratios as Argentina (1/ 10.000.000.000.000.000.000 - yes, it's a real number-) and look where we're. America can go 100 years in decadence still. That's why bureaucrats are unscathed and undeterred on this path.
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47 sats \ 0 replies \ @Fabs 22 Aug
Damn! That European table is horrible...
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Japan public debt to gdp ratio is too high I didn't expect that
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47 sats \ 0 replies \ @mf 22 Aug
A liability to one side (the masses) is an asset to the other. So it's all profit for one side, or so it seems. This is the true zero-sum game they play, without (maybe?) realizing some heads will have to roll. Counties like Italy and Greece have been here many times, and as long as the masses are willing to bank the bill, no debt is too much, and they know that.
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What if it isn’t really “debt”? Not like you and I use the word. If I borrow from you then I have a debt to you and I pay it back. National debt can’t and won’t be paid back. It isn’t even designed to be. Maybe it is actually the kinetic energy of a society represented by the currency units that society uses.
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the problem with growing public debt is that it absorbs good private capital and thus contributes to misallocation in the economy as a whole. this is how the economy gradually loses productivity growth and the ability to create wealth. it is the cancer
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I saw this calculator....all the streams going into it. And how fast it is rising, its unbelievable.
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30 sats \ 1 reply \ @TomK OP 22 Aug
and we haven't yet talked about the shadow budgets and the future payment obligations, which are many times higher than what we see here. that's incredible
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Right, there are more that actually arent on the books. But you know, China's budget has to be 100x worse than what they publish.
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @Lux 22 Aug
It's not just irresponsable, it's by design.
The most incomprehensible fact is that we are the true creditor of said debt. Yes, it means it's owed to us. We are also the debtor/surety for the debt, meaning we repay it trough taxes. Welcome to the plebtoral system. And virtually nobody has a clue.
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stackers have outlawed this. turn on wild west mode in your /settings to see outlawed content.