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What Historical Figures are Not Treated Like Humans?

1634 sats \ 33 comments \ @kepford 16 Sep history

What I mean is what people from history are you not supposed to criticize? Every person has flaws but some figures seem to be above criticism in polite society.

Let's not discuss religious dieties like Jesus or Mohammed.

Here's my list

Lincoln
Churchill
Dr King

Who else?

This was inspired by Tom Woods who is the first person I heard use the phrase "Treat like a human and not a dieity". I like that way of putting it. Everyone has flaws and when we can't accept the bad with the good that's a sign we are lionizing someone and not being objective.

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204 sats \ 2 replies \ @Undisciplined 17 Sep

Your examples are good ones. This is a trend I notice more with classes of workers, than with individuals:

Government school teachers Nurses Unions

51 sats \ 1 reply \ @kepford OP 17 Sep

Yeah, same here. Depending on the demo police and military as well

59 sats \ 0 replies \ @Undisciplined 17 Sep

I had the same thought. That caveat probably applies to everything, but I was thinking of “mainstream” discourse.

The times have certainly changed, when cops and soldiers are open to criticism.

32 sats \ 2 replies \ @Leonard 16 Sep

Hitler and Stalin are often depicted in a dehumanizing manner. Similarly marginalized leaders or enslaved individuals sometimes have their humanity overlooked in historical narratives.

64 sats \ 1 reply \ @kepford OP 16 Sep

I was referring to the other direction but yeah

10 sats \ 0 replies \ @Undisciplined 17 Sep

My mind went in this direction, too.

84 sats \ 2 replies \ @k00b 17 Sep

Einstein
Feynman
JFK

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @kepford OP 17 Sep

I think I should have been more clear in my post. I bet you get it but many seem to not get what I'm saying. Maybe people just don't read.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @kepford OP 17 Sep

Yeah, those are great.

60 sats \ 0 replies \ @Satosora 17 Sep

When I was in Taiwan, that person would have been Chiang Kai-shek. Even though he wasnt a good person, people in Taiwan seem to be afraid to express their opinion. They just seemed to wash away the history and accept his as their leader.

159 sats \ 2 replies \ @bitalion 17 Sep

I just want to put something into context, countries like Cuba, North Korea, are countries where from childhood the cult of personality is taught, no matter how they have been or what they have done. They are like Gods, some in life, I don't think I have to say names, many already know.

138 sats \ 0 replies \ @DarthCoin 17 Sep

Same happen in the rest of the "western countries"... only that they were fooled with another type of propaganda. It's all described in this amazing book, "Propaganda" by Ed. Bernays Also is described in this amazing interview by Ed. Griffin with Iuri Bezmenov. https://old.bitchute.com/video/0d15tewG3Rkw/

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @kepford OP 17 Sep

In the US we have the same thing. I suspect it is pretty much the case in every country. Honest Abe, George Washington, Dr. King are examples in the US.

67 sats \ 2 replies \ @AD_ 17 Sep

George Floyd? lol

0 sats \ 1 reply \ @Bell_curve 17 Sep

He is a career criminal and felon

Very little material

21 sats \ 0 replies \ @kepford OP 17 Sep

Floyd is a good example but isn't as universally off limits as people like Churchhill.

The issue with people like Floyd is that they become the story when the true story is how the state police forces abuse their power. Then the reactionary response is the attack the victim. Regardless of criminal record if you or I did what was done to Floyd we would be in prison and rightfully so. Figures like Floyd become tools to be used by existing power structures to manipulate and divide people.

I recall watching this unfold in my circles. Was pretty discouraging.

53 sats \ 0 replies \ @BTCLNAT 17 Sep

Here they are

Fidel Castro

Jose Marti

Ernesto "Che" Guevara

Abel Santamaria

Frank Pais

38 sats \ 3 replies \ @LowK3y19 17 Sep

I think napoleon is a good one. Ya he had his rise and lived like an emperor but at the end he was banished from his home and exiled

21 sats \ 2 replies \ @kepford OP 17 Sep

Napoleon is not a good example to me. At least not in the US. He is not off limits to criticism.

65 sats \ 1 reply \ @LowK3y19 17 Sep

Oh you wanted someone from the Us! What about Tesla he was an American who created things that are even advanced for our day an age and since he was an immigrant he was treated like he was dumb or inferior especially by Edison who he worked for.

21 sats \ 0 replies \ @kepford OP 17 Sep

I wasn't limiting it to the US but in the US Napoleon isn't lionized. I don't think Tesla is either.

10 sats \ 1 reply \ @ninjagrandma65 17 Sep

A better question might be "are ANY historical figures treated like humans?"

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @kepford OP 17 Sep

Plenty are. Most are IMO.

0 sats \ 1 reply \ @anon 17 Sep

I am not sure when Queen Elizabeth II becomes a historical figure, but any criticism of her is strictly taboo in the UK.

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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @kepford OP 17 Sep

I don't know about this as an American but I find that hard to believe honestly. I've heard many mock her. But they may be doing so at a cost.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @mudbloodvonfrei 17 Sep

Keanu Reeves

0 sats \ 1 reply \ @Bell_curve 17 Sep

There seems to be a backlash to Churchill today

21 sats \ 0 replies \ @kepford OP 17 Sep

Its not new but if we want to learn from history we must stop lionizing everyone. That's not to say everyone should be held to a standard of perfection. No one is perfect. People make mistakes. But that's the point. If their decisions are above questioning they are not being treated like a fallible human.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @Satoshi__Nakamoto 17 Sep

I agree with you about Dr king

0 sats \ 1 reply \ @398ja 17 Sep

Nelson Mandela

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @kepford OP 17 Sep

That's a good one.

0 sats \ 1 reply \ @nkmg1c_ventures 17 Sep

Alexander the Great, Julius Caesar, all the other Czars, Kaisers, etc

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @kepford OP 17 Sep

It would depend on the culture you are talking about. I would disagree on all of these. There are many that are critical of all of these figures.