Pascal Gauthier is the CEO of Ledger. In this interview, we discuss how to build and grow a business in a bear market, making the business part of the mission, how nation-states are trying to steal Bitcoins, the vulnerability of software wallets to hacks at scale, and why freedom is not something that we should bargain for.

TIMESTAMPS: 00:00:00 Introduction 00:01:14 Managing a business in a bear market 00:07:26 Ledger’s approach to security & scaling 00:14:59 Integrating Bitcoin with smartphones 00:21:15 Security of smartphones 00:30:58 Bitcoin software wallets will get hacked at scale 00:38:09 Freedom is not a bargain 00:48:05 Tornado Cash & attacks on free speech 00:52:24 Political advocacy for Bitcoin 01:03:17 Ledger’s future plans