tbh i find the China question fascinating at least in part because almost nobody else here (and most elsewhere) wants to talk about it and many are afraid of the whole question.

It's especially challenging for hard core Libertarians who believe that the free market solves almost everything and that the nation state is always bad.

BTW I have never said China is great. Just facing the truth that it has and is out competing western manufacturing efficiency.

Peter Hesslers book 'Country Driving' is a great read on this topic explaining the truth that very very few westerners seem to understand.