35 sats \ 3 replies \ @Lux 1 Oct 2022 \ on: Meta SN: Should we raise posting costs? bitcoin
suggestion: when a post was already shared make the price of copy 10x
The problem I think this would solve is where a second person wants to post a link for a news article that was already posted. This could be due to any of:
- ignores the "dup" warning as can still earn sats regardless
- ignores the "dup" warning as trying to promote the article itself (e.g., by the author of the article) or wants to spread the good word (e.g., for a bullish story to help pump the price)
- ignores the "dup" warning as an earlier post didn't get enough upvotes for front-page visibility, and hopes a second attempt at the right time of day will do better
- didn't see the "dup" warning (dup check takes a second or two, so could hit post button before even being shown the "dup" warning)
This wouldn't solve where there are two URLs for the same content. E.g., when there's a URL using Google AMP, and the same article is at a link without the AMP. Or like for a blog post that is available either
medium.com/@username as well as username.medium.com, etc., etc.This higher price for re-post also wouldn't prevent someone from doing a Discussion post and then putting the previously posted link in the discussion post.
And then there is the case that a high fee to re-post could result in some re-posts targeted innocently. For instance, there are some links that have new info but at the same URL. For example, the link announcing new Electrum releases is always at their /download link (without any unique page for each release). Or a website that was just a landing page when the site was announced (e.g., with a waiting list sign up) and then weeks later when the second post occurs, it is for the site when the service is ready / live launch.
That being said, I like your suggestion -- with some variation to accommodate the last use case (same link, but after some amount of time passed it could have new/different content).
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yes, what I was thinking, but didn't put the work to write ;)
have a few sats sir
makes me think, could there be a method to detect same title or same content regardless of different url? AI maybe? content indexing like search engines? dunno
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The AMP duplicate issue is easy to fix. There's already Issue #138 in SN's Github repo for that. And for the case where there's a Description post with a link in it which was shared in a prior Link post was acknowledged as a possible problem, see Issue #150 on that. And there are some other issues on SN's Github related to improvements on dup detection (e.g., ignoring upper/lower case in URL, ignoring www. subdomain, ignoring m. subdomain (e.g, for youtube videos), etc.
could there be a method to detect same title or same content regardless of different url?
That could be done ... exact duplicate is easy. Simply store a hash of the response. If the hash for a new post matches the hash for a prior post, include the earlier as a potential dupe. That solves the case where there are two URLs that respond with identical content. That doesn't solve for something like where ZeroHedge reprints a Bitcoin Magazine article. In that instance they have a different hash but are essentially the same content.
There are anti-plagiarism services and duplicate content detection tools that could identify occurrences of that. But I don't think that a duplicate could be detected in real-time -- as SN doesn't know what prior post(s) should be looked at when there is a new post. Maybe doing the anti-plagiarism search against prior posts with similar words from the title would find duplicates but that would take longer than is reasonable to expect the user entering a post to wait.
Or simply there could be a mechanism for users to flag a post as being a duplicate, and some handling be done for that. Reddit does this, but their approach involves moderators who investigate -- something SN is designed to not need.
The duplicate posts is a minor inconvenience that I suspect bothers mostly only a small number of heavy users of SN. I can imagine there are other things to be done that are at a higher priority.
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