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414 sats \ 35 comments \ @Undisciplined 26 Nov Politics_And_Law

Republicans have been pledging to destroy the DoE since it was created. Benjamin Seevers on if Trump will be the president that slays the beast.

"Given Trump’s comments, the AFT has good reason to fear the incoming administration. If the Department of Education is eliminated, then the stranglehold teacher unions have on education policy would be greatly diminished. This reform promises significant benefits."

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403 sats \ 8 replies \ @justin_shocknet 26 Nov

Remanding DoE back to the states is the constitutional base case, but just step 1:

From Agenda 47:

"As President, it was my honor to support America’s homeschool families—and to protect the God-given right of every parent to be the steward of their children’s education," President Trump said.

President Trump pledged to allow homeschool parents to use 529 education savings accounts to spend up to $10,000 a year per child, completely tax-free to spend on costs associated with homeschool education.

I currently pay 10-15k to a local school system we don't use, very few people are in a position to do that, yet we meet so many other parents that "wish" they could homeschool. The economics of public schools put so much undue stress on these families, usually because one parent is working a pointless frustrating fiat job just to break even outsourcing their childcare... that creates friction in the marriage and beyond. Public ed in its current form destroys so many households, can't wait to see us retvrn to real community.

17 sats \ 5 replies \ @Undisciplined OP 26 Nov

I'm glad you're able to do that for your family. Hopefully, they make good on these promises.

27 sats \ 4 replies \ @justin_shocknet 26 Nov

I think the Linda McMahon pick for secretary is a good indication of intent, it won't be business as usual... the question that remains is what kind of resistance will need to be dealt with.

Taking the totality of all things that need to be gutted, and the expected resistance to each, I'm under no illusion it'll just go smoothly. My bets have been on a constitutional convention at some point soon over the next few years and we're watching the staging.

Popcorn ready.

17 sats \ 3 replies \ @Undisciplined OP 26 Nov

I've wondered about the possibility of a constitutional convention, too.

The public is going to learn a lot about how entrenched these bureaucracies are. I hope they have more success gutting them than I expect. It's hard for me to imagine four years being enough time to get much accomplished, considering the resistance that's going to be faced.

22 sats \ 2 replies \ @justin_shocknet 26 Nov

The public is going to learn

Exactly, let's look backwards to understand what we've learned already...

Ignoring all else, the debt issue alone is I think is a signal towards a constitutional convention:

They made the money laundering to the tune of hundreds of billions via Ukraine super obvious, despite how unpopular it was, presumably to open peoples eyes as to how this system works more broadly- and thus how most of our debt is illegitimate.

Sprinkle in the context of those billions under an illegitimate white house, where anyone rational had to question who was actually in charge, given the dementia patient on set, pandemic psyop election now resulting in 15+M missing dem votes... and so on... it's all a justification for a debt default, and a default = constitutional convention.

four years being enough time

Yep, now let's posit that it started pre-2016 when Trump won an election "by surprise". That's 8 years of setting the stage for a default... now in this 4 years the bandaid comes off... a bandaid we couldn't have removed 2016-2020

17 sats \ 1 reply \ @Undisciplined OP 26 Nov

There's a looming government shutdown. The smart thing for the Trump administration would be to inherit the shutdown and take the opportunity to push their reforms through. Only bring back the parts and personnel that they want to move forward with.

35 sats \ 0 replies \ @justin_shocknet 26 Nov

Good point, and we've had a number of showdowns over the shutdown/debt ceiling over the years... actually the last one is how the speaker of the house changed hands.

Trump inheriting a shutdown government, what a coincidence timing wise ;)

0 sats \ 1 reply \ @Msd0457890 26 Nov

Wow, so instead of having a full educational system full of innovations to improve the future of the country, it has become an ordeal?

32 sats \ 0 replies \ @justin_shocknet 26 Nov

The purpose of a system is what it does, and what the system does is protect rent-seekers from innovation and liability... this was always its intent.

43 sats \ 12 replies \ @0xbitcoiner 26 Nov

Just out of curiosity, what are the main tasks of the American Department of Education? Here in Europe it's unthinkable.

76 sats \ 7 replies \ @freetx 26 Nov

In the US, given that schools are funded at the local level, under local state regulation, its very unclear why DoE should exist.

If you google it, you will get vague answers like "promoting equal access", "coordinating education initiatives", and "providing supplemental funding" etc....

45 sats \ 5 replies \ @0xbitcoiner 26 Nov

I see! As far as I know, nothing like this exists at European level. Each country has its own ministry of education.

52 sats \ 4 replies \ @Undisciplined OP 26 Nov

Federalism was supposed to be one of the foundational principles of American governance, but we're steadily moving away from decentralized regulation and becoming more like Europe.

25 sats \ 3 replies \ @0xbitcoiner 26 Nov

I don't know if that's good or bad. In general, it seems to me that here in Europe we are moving in the opposite direction. Towards a federation.

33 sats \ 2 replies \ @Undisciplined OP 26 Nov

Federalism refers to decentralized rule making: i.e. states over national. My impression is that Europe is increasingly moving towards centralized rule and away from their own separate national rules.

44 sats \ 1 reply \ @0xbitcoiner 26 Nov

European countries have more sovereignty than American states, anyone can leave the European Union if they want to. I think that in America only Texas can leave, isn't that right? Each country has its own laws, but every now and then a European law comes along that the countries are obliged to transpose into national law.

23 sats \ 0 replies \ @Undisciplined OP 26 Nov

I agree. If we're comparing America to all of Europe, then Europe is still more decentralized, but if we're comparing America to individual European nations, then America is more decentralized.

As to the matter of US states leaving the union, it's very unclear. You're right that Texas is the only state that explicitly included that in their state constitution. At the time of the original union, though, it was generally accepted that states could legally separate and that was made explicit during the ratifying conventions. I don't think states would be forced to remain in the union today, if they attempted to secede.

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10 sats \ 0 replies \ @Msd0457890 26 Nov

mere bureaucracy, the system is certainly designed to screw up your life.

48 sats \ 1 reply \ @Undisciplined OP 26 Nov

The main normie political case is that it's entirely redundant with state Department's of Education, which every state has.

The national Department of Education was created to end racially segregated education. Mission accomplished! Now, go away.

Now, they primarily do two things: administer financial aid for college and bribe schools to follow their regulations.

26 sats \ 0 replies \ @SimpleStacker 26 Nov

Now, they primarily do two things: administer financial aid for college and bribe schools to follow their regulations.

Pretty much. Federal funding is the primary lever by which the national government strong-arms states into doing their bidding.

27 sats \ 1 reply \ @fm 26 Nov

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @Msd0457890 26 Nov

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36 sats \ 1 reply \ @JesseJames 26 Nov

Yes, get rid of useless DoE, ATF is next.... :-)

21 sats \ 0 replies \ @Undisciplined OP 26 Nov

Turn the ATF into the adult party store it clearly should be.

32 sats \ 0 replies \ @kepford 26 Nov

I highly doubt it but I'm routing for the end of it and all others.

31 sats \ 0 replies \ @B_rian 26 Nov

Kill it. We don't need a propaganda department.

31 sats \ 0 replies \ @jgbtc 26 Nov

We need separation of education and state for the same reason we need separation of church and state.

30 sats \ 0 replies \ @denlillaapan 26 Nov

Yeees. Pleeeeease

29 sats \ 0 replies \ @Akg10s33 26 Nov

If that is the case, they should remove it!! It is not fulfilling any role in helping to push towards the good education of children!!! I hope that the decisions that Trump makes are for the best!!

22 sats \ 2 replies \ @Msd0457890 26 Nov

I am surprised by the way education is handled in the United States. I have always read that it is bureaucratic. Is that how it is? Or am I wrong?

0 sats \ 1 reply \ @Undisciplined OP 26 Nov

Incredibly bureaucratic. I don't know how it compares to most other places, but I know our education system is much more expensive than the rest of the world tends to be and most of that is administrative bloat.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @Msd0457890 26 Nov

It is expensive and its quality is a complete? quality education?

22 sats \ 0 replies \ @grayruby 26 Nov

Hopefully.

0 sats \ 1 reply \ @LowK3y19 10 Dec

We are battling being the richest country with the dumbest citizens this definitely wouldn’t help the situation

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @Undisciplined OP 10 Dec

Maybe you should look into how US education has fared since creating The Department of Education. Your prediction is quite lacking in supporting evidence.