OK, my father was much like that, too. Claimed libertarianism but was a statist when it came to his claims. The only way to get more out of the Social Security Scam than you put in was if they had kept it there collecting interest. Then it would be like an IRA. I like the idea of the Roth IRA, but like anything else of value, I fear the state is going to take it away and give you sh*tty paper for it. I can see now that BTC is one way to go for making your own pension or retirement fund.