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'I believe outside of the supply cap the ability to transact without a third party is the most important thing bitcoin offers. Without it the supply cap is pretty meaningless. But how do we get there? How do we get to a society where bitcoin is a widely accepted form of payment and exchange?'
SoV and MoE are both crucial factors in assessing the value of a money. To only have one, but not the other is to have a substandard money. Bitcoin is a threat to fiat money only if it achieves MoE acceptance/use. If Bitcoin remains largely seen as and used as a speculative commodity it is not a substantial threat to the fiat debt slavery monetary system.
Consider carefully how Bitcoins primary stated purpose as a P2P payments protocol has been slyly and relentlessly obstructed by governments and bankers. By designating Bitcoin a commodity and thus subject to CGT, governments have slyly but severely obstructed Bitcoins use as a MoE because to use it as a MoE would require an absurd amount of record keeping. Businesses have been obstructed from accepting Bitcoin by banks threatening to close their fiat banking access. In my country and I believe in most 'liberal western democracies' who are subservient to the USD SWIFT hegemony, if you seek to open a business bank account you will be asked if you intend to use cryptocurrency in your business- if you say yes you will be refused banking.
In other jurisdictions where there may be less pretense of a 'free market' Bitcoin use for MoE is simply outlawed- Thailand and China for example. So in nearly all jurisdictions use of Bitcoin as a MoE is severely obstructed if not outright banned. The example El Salvador gives- where instead there is support from the government shows Bitcoin can be allowed for MoE without any major problems in fact substantial advantages. Bitcoin can provide healthy competition to the fiat monetary system. But the operators of fiat monetary hegemony do not want such competition- precisely because Bitcoin CAN provide substantial competition to their very profitable Fiat Debt Slavery monetary system.
Because the banks and governments have succeeded in severely limiting Bitcoin use as a MoE they have positioned themselves very well. As long as Bitcoin remains mostly only used as a SoV/speculative commodity it is not a serious threat- in fact it has been captured as a speculative plaything. The ETFs advance this fiat capture and control strategy further- they enable more and more Bitcoin to be held by ETFs in a form where it quite explicitly cannot be used for P2p payments. The more Bitcoin held under institutional custody the less liquidity is available for P2P payments, and the more the perception of Bitcoin as a speculative commodity plaything is entrenched.
This positions the bankers/governments well if they decide at any point in the future that a ban on private custody is required. At that point the more institutional custody the better. A ban on private custody however may not ever be required because they have so far succeeded so slyly in obstructing Bitcoins us as a P2p payments protocol and shifting the perception and use of it into SoV speculative commodity.
Note- as a speculative commodity without any substantial realised MoE utility Bitcoin is in some ways no more than a PONZI scheme. If Bitcoin remains seen as and used as a speculative commodity 'SoV' then if at any point its value vs fiat peaks and further speculative gains are seen as unlikely then its value adding formula ceases to make sense...and there is then 'a run on the bank'.
A great deal of the value being added currently is from institutional custody capture via ETFs and even corporate US domiciled treasury allocations can be seen in this category as they would be almost certain to comply with any compulsory Executive Order ban on private custody.
It is the MoE of any monetary system that gives it power and value as the ability to enable exchanges of value between participants in an economy is the most powerful value adding function in any economy. The fiat debt slavery bankers cartel know this full well. Look at SWIFT to see the strategic potency of controlling MoE. Without MoE use, Bitcoin is on a pathway to capture and control by the fiat debt slavery cartel, and ultimately will have failed as it will have failed to provide a viable alternative to their hegemony.
It is the MoE of any monetary system that gives it power and value as the ability to enable exchanges of value between participants in an economy is the most powerful value adding function in any economy.
Bitcoin is permission-less. Anyone can download Sparrow wallet (or if they want to be paranoid, download and run TAILS OS) or have a seed phrase generated through electrum... buy Bitcoin for cash peer to peer and add it to the seed phrase.
Done. Then use the Bitcoin for savings, goods and services whatever p2p using bisq, hodl hodl, robosats etc.
Personally I don't think this is even necessary though.
The more people learn about Bitcoin, the more and more individuals and organizations will want to self custody it for savings and also to spend when necessary. No-one can stop transactions... the value proposition is really really big.
We were talking about this earlier in the thread.
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Trouble is you are ignoring the systematic obstruction of Bitcoin as a MoE which I have also described above.
You are also ignoring the steady increase in Bitcoin held by institutions like ETFs where the use of that Bitcoin is explicitly NOT available for P2P payments.
The bankers and governments in western 'liberal democracies' have slyly obstructed MoE Bitcoin utility via arbitrary tax designation of it as a commodity this liable for CGT assessment on every transaction and by blocking or threatening to block banking access to businesses that admit they use crypto/bitcoin.
Sure its possible still for me to send you sats P2P but how many people who hold Bitcoin use it that way to any degree? Sweet Fuck All- because of the obstructions that have been put in place.
The bankers and governments are waging war, slyly obstructing MoE use because as long as Bitcoin remains largely confined to use as a speculative commodity its no real threat to them and is easily captured and controlled by them.
They do not need to capture and control 100% - but as long as the great majority of Bitcoin is not being used as a MoE they have the upper hand...and their fiat MoE hegemony is preserved.
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I don't think Bitcoin can be stopped. And I also believe the utility-value, for sending and receiving, is great enough where people and organizations will want to use it.
They may not know how to use it yet... and they may never have used it but I still think they will eventually.
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Blind faith is blind faith. There is no contest of ideas with it. No reasoned debate.
Dealing with the real world is a different thing.
Lets deal with reality shall we-
The fiat debt slavery bankers cartel is the most powerful, well connected cartel and market fixing parasite on the planet.
I have described above how they are obstructing Bitcoins use as a MoE and how they can be reasonably expected to do anything in their power to prevent Bitcoin from meaningfully competing with their MoE hegemony.
Or do you disagree?
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I disagree. If Bitcoin is appealing enough to hold and use on its own merits... then people will use it. To save, to transact, to send and receive.
Personally I really like proton wallet, I have used it a few times and the 'use case' of sending something like Bitcoin with it is just so obvious... it's a no-brainer imo.
The governments cant try to to obstruct that all they want... but I don't think they will be that successful. As a matter of fact, I don't think it's government obstruction that keeps people from using Bitcoin right now. It's the lack of education instead.
People who already use Proton can easily switch to Proton Wallet... buy some Bitcoin on an exchange and send it to PW. Then pay for things in it, save it, travel with it whatever they want to do.
There is no reason the 'fiat debt cartel' can stop that.
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You ignore repeatedly the comprehensive and extensive OBSTRUCTIONS to MoE Bitcoin use that I have described.
You dont accept that government obstruction prevents use now? How can any citizens use Bitcoin legally while accounting for each and every transaction for CGT assessment purposes? It is a nonsense to expect anyone to keep such detailed records of each and every transaction using Bitcoin- currently if you use Bitcoin for MoE on a regular basis you are almost certainly doing so in breach of the law!
Governments and bankers are absolutely and determinedly obstructing Bitcoin use- ask any business that accepts Bitcoin if they have told their bank and what their banks response was- most cases they do not tell their bank because to do so risks loss of fiat banking access!
These are the facts you are ignoring.
Agree that Proton mail acceptance and provision of a wallet is a good thing- based in Switzerland they have a fairly supportive jurisdiction and like El Salvador Switzerland is generally accepting of the rights of citizens above those of fiat debt bankers- note Switzerland was the last nation to retain a gold backed currency- so yes there are some areas of hope...but also many areas for concern too because unfortunately they are outliers and much more exceptions than the rule.
Bitcoin is an excellent form of money for the individual user but it is equally a very challenging concept for the operators of fiat debt based monetary systems. Bitcoin has the potential to take away their power and wealth...and they know it.
That is why they have in nearly all jurisdictions either obstructed it or outright banned it.
El Salvador has allowed Bitcoin MoE and that may well be in part because they did not operate a state fiat system and so the state lost nothing by allowing Bitcoin MoE use- that situation is not the case in most countries.
You can ignore the logic and imperatives of the fiat debt monetary system operators but that does not remove them from reality- they are very real and very motivated to prevent Bitcoin from displacing their fiat hegemony.
As long as Bitcoin is almost exclusively used only as a SoV they are safe- if Bitcoin were to even begin to emerge as a widely used MoE competitor the legacy fiat powers have positioned themselves very nicely for a ban on private custody...they are everyday increasing the amount held under institutional custody and they have to date prevented any significant use of Bitcoin for MoE.
There is no inevitable outcome- it is however a real contest for control...between Bitcoin and the fiat cartel...
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Well I mean yes you are right. People have to just decide... to ignore the CGT laws and restrictions and spend Bitcoin, where they reasonably can, day to day. Because like you said tracking every zap, every lightning transaction would be nearly impossible (if not outright impossible) for CGT purposes.
Beyond individuals and small organizations (?) ignoring the CGT taxes on Bitcoin... the voters have to come together to a form a constituency that demands the removal of CGT taxes on at least small Bitcoin transactions. That way it has the chance of being used as a MoE...
I think at that point education is important too. Relatively speaking larger transactions, sending whole UTXOs, will be for on-chain. And Lightning will be for smaller transactions that are almost instantaneous.
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Yes so they are obstructing use and quite deliberately and comprehensively. How many people want to be breaking tax laws just to use Bitcoin as a MoE? And how many businesses are prepared to risk loss of banking access just to accept Bitcoin from the few customers who would pay with it? Just a few.
It is very sly and successful obstruction and we need to fight back. We need first to acknowledge the obstruction before it can even be addressed and removed.
We need to get this obstruction removed and have the freedom to pay with sats or fiat on an equal basis- when if ever will we achieve that?
Education might help some yes, but IMO it will take a lot of civil disobedience and lobbying and demanding our rights too. Yes voters have some power and backed by education and awareness that can be a means of change.
It can be done if we acknowledge the systemic obstruction the legacy fiat powers are slyly applying- it will never happen if we just assume it will.
This is a war for the freedom to choose our MoE...and the legacy powers are extremely well positioned and determined...and yet so few Bitcoiners so far even recognise what we are up against.