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welcome to the book club for Jordan Peterson's new, very flowy and spiritual book We Who Wrestle With God.
Here are some previous JBP book club posts #782630 #787035 #804036

On this day of Christmas -- I'm in the protestant Christian North where Christmas eve is the main event -- perhaps after having enjoyed what seems like a flurry of social and dining-related ordeals, the question of work is appropriate.
In and around p. 90 of the book, JBP discusses the virtue of work. He shoots off the Cain and Abel story, and what their fraternal rivalry symbolizes for us. It's the "presentation of the relationship between work and sacrifice", the fundamentally human ability to "transcend the instinctual." At some level it's what makes us humans and what propels humanity, whatever that is, forward.
He asks, "What exactly are we and what should we be working for?"
Work is the delay of gratification, the investing of effort and time now for greater rewards later.
...Especially the "higher and complete order" resonates with me. Working (sacrificing) must be done with a purpose, a goal, a worthy end in sight.
"When I am working I am replacing what I wish I could be doing right now [...] with some demand of transcendent yet still brute necessity."
Again, the questions here might be more important than the answers: "What is the meaning of our effortful striving?"
So, fellow Stackers, this wonderful Christmas, ask yourself a what you are working for, what the moral order your daily grind is trying to achieve, what your efforts and sacrifices in the present aim to leverage for the future. Is it worth it? Did you pick a good enough moral objective?
Peace, /J
The Christian theology of work is actually quite interesting.
Genesis 2 shows us that the reason God created Adam was actually for the purpose of work:
When no bush of the field was yet in the land and no small plant of the field had yet sprung up—for the Lord God had not caused it to rain on the land, and there was no man to work the ground, - Genesis 2:5
The Lord God took the man and put him in the garden of Eden to work it and keep it. - Genesis 2:15
In fact, it could be said that God created man and woman in his own image for the purpose of participating in the act of creation by cultivating that which God created.
We can see this in God's command to humans to have dominion over the Earth and to be fruitful and multiply in Genesis 1, and even in Adam's naming of the animals in Genesis 2. Christians call this the cultural mandate.
Christian theology even has an answer for why we have come to dislike work, why work has come to be seen as a barrier to fulfillment rather than a source of fulfillment. And that answer is that this was part of the curse that came upon man because of their original sin:
cursed is the ground because of you; in pain you shall eat of it all the days of your life; thorns and thistles it shall bring forth for you; and you shall eat the plants of the field. By the sweat of your face you shall eat bread, till you return to the ground, for out of it you were taken; for you are dust, and to dust you shall return. - Genesis 3:17-19
I've always found the Christian theology of work to be both fascinating and inspiring. As someone who is fortunate to work in a field that I actually have an interest in, I always thought it a shame that so many people find so little fulfillment in their work, yet I can totally understand it
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Thank you for this, really valuable addition to the reading!
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That means finding meaningful work in your life and not doing fiat jobs to make fiat money. Finding meaningful work is one of the hardest parts of my life, I find.
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Pretty hard for me too, although it feels like I'm halfway there.
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Working towards achieving a moral objective is a wild thought to ponder.
Most people around me, work for cuckbucks and strive for fancy fiat titles where they get paid to boss people around or do nothing.
Guess I'm striving for peace? Maybe a greater sense of security and to perform a honorable duty while adequately providing for loved ones.
I'll need to think on more, I think my answer will drastically change over time and through different circumstance.
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Guess I'm striving for peace? Maybe a greater sense of security and to perform a honorable duty while adequately providing for loved ones.
This, my guuuy!! Truly!
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