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20 sats \ 1 reply \ @Undisciplined 4 Jan \ on: Issues with Libertarian Arguments Against Socialism Politics_And_Law
I don't think it's a fair characterization of what Mises or Friedman cared about, either. Mises well understood that humans have much broader desires than just material prosperity. I think both Mises and Friedman were utilitarians and both could be characterized as wanting to maximize human utility, which both recognized as being subjective and not purely material.
Also, to your point about coercion, the other flavor of libertarianism, based on Hoppe's philosophy, is completely incompatible with socialism. Hoppe is a consequentialist and the objective he's aiming at is a society that resolves disputes without resorting to violence.
No, this article was done from the POV that the lefty/Marxist/socialist/communist/murderers and libertarians are moving to the same goals with the same methods. I do not agree with that assessment, either. The methods of voluntarism and coercion are completely at odds with each other. Also, I agree that subjective values also contain intangibles, not just material goods.
As long as there is a state, the monopoly on force agency, there will be no voluntarism because their modus operandi is coercion. You’re right about Hoppe, he does not adhere to policies of coercion and violence, at all, not even minimal. He is truly anti-state.
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