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0 sats \ 19 replies \ @Skipper 5 Jan \ parent \ on: What have ya'll learned since SN non-custodial transition? meta

"SN is a Pay to Post platform"

If we remove the leaderboard/rewards(like you mentioned), who will receive the sats used for posting?

those will be only the SN cut. They have to pay with something the costs of keeping this "chirringuito" alive. You could still be rewarded from p2p zaps from people that appreciate your posts. That's all.

0 sats \ 17 replies \ @Skipper 5 Jan

While i'm not against paying a few sats to help fund @k00b @ek development — the way you said it doesn't feel right Darth.

Paying for the costs of a single, centralized server, where i have no ownership of my user/posts/comments, doesn't feel right. This is not decentralized nor censorship-resistance. Nostr exists, and works.

I see no argument for not turning this whole site (which has an amazing Reddit-like interface by the way) into Nostr.

Pay-to-post only helps reduce spam/low quality garbage. There must be a way to achieve that via Nostr.

567 sats \ 2 replies \ @k00b 5 Jan

I see no argument for not turning this whole site (which has an amazing Reddit-like interface by the way) into Nostr.

I know you don't mean this as derisively as I hear it elsewhere, given you're saying it here, but the reason we aren't on nostr is that I'm more interested in exploring the things we can do with bitcoin because most app devs have given up on it.

I also see bitcoin as fundamental to making something like nostr decentralize, so I'm prioritizing figuring that out before we decentralize. There are lots (hundreds/thousands) of people already doing stuff on nostr, so the purported magic will continue to unfold there without us. Also, there's lots of top-down money/status/influence (tens/hundreds? of millions) flowing to nostr that's made the protocol more political than it should be in it's infancy which complicates life for anyone attempting to do something particularly novel.

I elaborate a little more on my nostr vs SN thoughts here if you're interested.

where i have no ownership of my user/posts/comments

Signing your shitposts doesn't mean that you own your shitposts, it means you own your identity and that's all that it means: #677316

0 sats \ 1 reply \ @Skipper 5 Jan

I appreciate your work k00b, genuinely. But this CC thing is not for me. I wish you(and everyone involved with SN) the best of luck.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @k00b 5 Jan

Likewise cheerio

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @ek 5 Jan

tl;dr: you cannot run SN on a "trust me bro" foundation.

0 sats \ 5 replies \ @ek 5 Jan

I see no argument for not turning this whole site (which has an amazing Reddit-like interface by the way) into Nostr.

Pay-to-post only helps reduce spam/low quality garbage. There must be a way to achieve that via Nostr.

Run a relay that only accepts pay-to-post.
Make everyone write to that relay so you know who paid to post. Let’s call it nostr.stacker.news
Run every zap through that relay that also runs a lightning node so you know who paid. The zaps on nostr you see are just relays and nodes claiming they have been paid. You cannot trust random nodes to tell you they paid you.

Now everybody has to write to that relay and zap through that relay to participate in the economy with rewards, territory revenue etc.

No point to use nostr then. Only downsides, no upsides.

0 sats \ 4 replies \ @DarthCoin 5 Jan

Yeah I don't know why many people consider SN a platform as nostr. Are different things used for different situations.

0 sats \ 3 replies \ @Skipper 5 Jan

A centralized platform, where i have no ownership of anything, makes me pay real sats to Post – and forces everyone to zap/get zapped into a shitcoin(that can't be easily swapped) and that no one wants(hot potato)

This is not the bitcoin cypherpunk way. I was able to accept SN being centralized, but this whole CC drama is leaving a bad taste in my mouth.

I guess this is my goodbye, cheers.

421 sats \ 2 replies \ @e0ce06e368 5 Jan

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21 sats \ 1 reply \ @Skipper 5 Jan

Thank you for your words.

I will dump all my (worthless) Cowboy Credits on your comment.

See you in Nostr, whoever you are. I'm done with SN for now.

21 sats \ 0 replies \ @e0ce06e368 5 Jan

I can't do anything with them (shitcoins), so they’re obviously worthless. I’ll see you on Nostr too. If we agree to everything they introduce, who knows what they’ll come up with next.

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0 sats \ 6 replies \ @DarthCoin 5 Jan

You are paying for sustaining SN. From each zap is taking a cut of 30%.

0 sats \ 1 reply \ @ek 5 Jan

The fee is not our revenue, territories are …

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @DarthCoin 5 Jan

maybe not entirely right now, but soon.

0 sats \ 3 replies \ @Skipper 5 Jan

I'm not against zap taxes (Snort/Iris clients already had that).

You missed my point.

0 sats \ 2 replies \ @DarthCoin 5 Jan

I don't think SN said that is a decentralized platform. Is just a platform where you pay to post. That's all. If you do not want to pay, you do not post. Just like that. Nobody is forcing anybody to post or to pay.

i have no ownership of my user/posts/comments,

on nostr... do you have ownership of a note once is received by a relay ? They can keep it forever.

0 sats \ 1 reply \ @Skipper 5 Jan

I'm paying to post something that i don't own or have control over. 🚩

Users are sending me a pseudo-shitcoin instead of real sats.

I can't easily swap that pseudo-shitcoin into real sats—I'm stuck with them.

Because I'm stuck with them, when i zap someone he will get the shitcoin.

Essentially I'm passing the hot potato to the next person...

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @Solomonsatoshi 6 Jan

So it weeds out the assmilkers... And sock puppets... Good...