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Criminal defendant ordered to turn over private keys, seedphrases, & passphrases www.courtlistener.com/docket/69425855/50/united-states-v-ahlgren/

899 sats \ 20 comments \ @Arceris 8 Jan Politics_And_Law

This is being reported by cointelegraph, but they don't link to the actual filing (of course 🫤). Another stacker cited to the cointelegraph article in the ~news territory, but I think detailed law discussion should be in the ~Politics_and_Law territory.

There is an Eleventh Circuit case on the compelled disclosure of encryption keys, however the facts are not directly analogous here: In re Grand Jury Subpoena Duces Tecum Dated March 25, 2011, 670 F.3d 1335 (11 th Cir. 2004).

While some states (Wyoming through statute, and PA in a State Supreme Court decision) have protections in this area, there is no fully settled Federal law here.

Here is a 2019 Texas Law Review article discussing this area in some detail, though it may be out of date.

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34 sats \ 2 replies \ @022fbc9cef 8 Jan

A criminal defendant shouldn't have to do anything that might incriminate him.

I don't know, maybe, it was called, I don't know... The right to remain silent?

10 sats \ 1 reply \ @random_ 9 Jan

There are exceptions. Biometric access, for example.

https://news.bloomberglaw.com/us-law-week/compelled-biometric-access-legal-under-4th-5th-amendments

24 sats \ 0 replies \ @022fbc9cef 9 Jan

There shouldn’t be exceptions

24 sats \ 3 replies \ @SimpleStacker 8 Jan

Would the boating accident defense work?

40 sats \ 2 replies \ @random_ 9 Jan

#842940

10 sats \ 1 reply \ @SimpleStacker 9 Jan

Fuck

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @Bell_curve 20 Jan

being in contempt is not a big deal

or less bad

30 sats \ 1 reply \ @e0ce06e368 8 Jan

NOT YOUR KEYS, NOT YOUR PHRASE FUCK YOU, STATE!

10 sats \ 0 replies \ @random_ 9 Jan

https://www.aclutx.org/en/news/how-stop-government-putting-another-lavabit-out-business

the district court held Lavabit in contempt for refusing to give up its encryption keys and imposed a $5,000-a-day fine until the company complied

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tommy_Gregory_Thompson

In November 2018, Thompson agreed to surrender 500 gold coins salvaged from the wreck of the Central America, but then claimed he did not have access to the missing coins.... Since December 2015, he has been jailed indefinitely on charges of contempt of court until he cooperates.

24 sats \ 0 replies \ @SpaceHodler 8 Jan

That's why you need decoy wallets.

When a gangster demands your seed and passphrase, give them the poop they deserve.

24 sats \ 0 replies \ @tomlaies 8 Jan

The difference between Bitcoin and fiat is that here he has the option to not comply. With fiat it would be impossible to not comply.

20 sats \ 2 replies \ @0xbitcoiner 8 Jan

..., but I think detailed law discussion should be in the ~Politics_and_Law territory.

US court: Bitcoin investor forced to hand over private keys #842060

0 sats \ 1 reply \ @Arceris OP 8 Jan

Derp. And I even zapped that one.🤦‍♂️

10 sats \ 0 replies \ @0xbitcoiner 8 Jan

Looks like your RAM is lost in segments!
You should consider upgrading to ECC memory 😂

10 sats \ 3 replies \ @sancristrader 8 Jan

To add some context:

He bought Bitcoin on Coinbase and then moved it via a series of wallets and mixers (blogging about mixers), then sold about 4m and then did not pay capital gains tax.