you are right. but i think it means the US can't win by blocking china.  they have to win with innovation at reduced cost which seems to be hard with all the regulations about training data

Premature to say China or anyone has won


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i can confirm after trying it on venice.ai that it is similar to llama with outputs and so if this is R1 then wait until R3 comes out at similar cost

it just confirms that there is no moat in AI and openAI is toast as is most of the spending in creating an "american first" AI industry

with massive amounts of energy and science talent, china has won

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DeepSeek is super censored (My Experience)

Catcher

i can confirm after trying it on venice.ai that it is similar to llama with outputs and so if this is R1 then wait until R3 comes out at similar cost

it just confirms that there is no moat in AI and openAI is toast as is most of the spending in creating an "american first" AI industry 

with massive amounts of energy and science talent, china has won