Was there a potential economic reason for allowing so many border crossings over the past four years? Was it done in any way to mitigate the effects of the fallout from covid (inflation, job market etc.)?
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100 sats \ 0 replies \ @IamSINGLE 21 Feb
Illegal migration was a great issue in India until Modi came in power in 2014. It was a the policy for gaining an upper hand in elections by calling in Muslims who would only support Indian Nationalist Congress. After Modi came in power he talked about sending them back but the numbers are so high, that he had to fall back.
These are very calculated numbers. IMO, there are at least 100 million illegal immigrants living in India and most of then have become legal by obtaining the documents. Why I'm saying so because I can see many many Bangladeshis living in every city, every town here.
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130 sats \ 0 replies \ @Meani123 21 Feb
Think so yes but at too fast of a scale it brings labor costs down because immigrants try to show they are valuable to that nation and subject themselves to getting paid lower than a native citizen of that land. Thus native people of these countries going unemployed then they must receive help from the government to survive the price of living. Immigration is good ok but at too fast of a pace it will not be good int the end.
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42 sats \ 22 replies \ @Undisciplined 20 Feb
If there were, I think the Democrats would have argued for it on those merits. Instead, they largely downplayed that it was happening at all and called people names for discussing it.
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25 sats \ 21 replies \ @Aardvark OP 20 Feb
I agree, but I was asked this question and didn't have an answer, I figured i would get an objective answer on SN.
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42 sats \ 20 replies \ @Undisciplined 20 Feb
There are plenty of economic arguments for a free market in labor (which would include free entry for foreign workers). Similarly, there are plenty of arguments for free markets in consumer good (which would include free entry for shoppers).
The difficulty is in balancing those known benefits against the also known costs of attracting people to government subsidized services who don't pay proportionately for their upkeep.
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42 sats \ 9 replies \ @Aardvark OP 20 Feb
If you were being extra charitable, could you make a case for why it was a net positive? Personally I can't, but I'm trying to be thorough.
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42 sats \ 8 replies \ @Undisciplined 20 Feb
Sure, but why should I do it, when the much smarter Bryan Caplan has already put so much effort into it.
https://econfaculty.gmu.edu/bcaplan/caplannaik.pdf
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39 sats \ 0 replies \ @Aardvark OP 20 Feb
Because I like you, and I don't even know him!
I'll give it a listen, thanks. 😁
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46 sats \ 6 replies \ @south_korea_ln 20 Feb
#447563
I linked to this comic book by the SMBC guy and Caplan once, arguing for open borders. Got a lot of backlash at the time so didn't feel like engaging further.
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54 sats \ 9 replies \ @SimpleStacker 20 Feb
I'd also argue that economists don't pay enough attention to culture. What happens when the workers that are coming in, even if they pay taxes and are a net positive to the economy, have cultural and ethical beliefs that are at odds with the existing culture?
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60 sats \ 6 replies \ @Aardvark OP 20 Feb
I'm about 40 minutes into the video that @Undisciplined linked and he's literally doing exactly what you said. "The cultural impact is insignificant if you can't offset the 90 trillion dollars of gains."
Unfortunately, you still have to convince people who value their culture to vote for your policy.
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82 sats \ 5 replies \ @SimpleStacker 20 Feb
I didn't watch the whole video.... where did he get $90 trillion in gains from?
AFAIK, the entire world economy is less than $90 trillion USD in real terms...
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42 sats \ 1 reply \ @Undisciplined 20 Feb
The way this generally plays out is that each culture adapts to some degree to the other and then enclaves of the remaining minority culture persist.
My perspective is that we generate problems by trying to either force integration of the cultures or attempt to force a change onto the majority culture. Otherwise, people can generally coexist and stay out of each other's hair.
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27 sats \ 0 replies \ @Aardvark OP 20 Feb
Example: like most people I have never gone out of my way to harass someone of a different culture because they are different.
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @Butterfinger 21 Feb
It depends if people coming have a high IQ score, skills and money.
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0 sats \ 6 replies \ @Aardvark OP 20 Feb
@denlillaapan I'd love to hear your take.
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42 sats \ 5 replies \ @denlillaapan 20 Feb
the economics of (im)migration in general or as a backstop of the last four years??
Clever/dark-room conspiracy type idea to expand labor supply during covid; not so sure it'll hold up, since every country printed money and suffered inflation but only U.S. had southern-border problems
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22 sats \ 4 replies \ @Aardvark OP 20 Feb
So my brother asked me specifically if perhaps the government knew that this inflation was coming and tried to soften it somehow with bodies. Obviously it wouldn't help things like housing.
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42 sats \ 3 replies \ @denlillaapan 20 Feb
mje... maybe.
Find me the receipts (for these dudes knowing the inflation and making the immigration decision), and I'll believe it
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11 sats \ 2 replies \ @Aardvark OP 20 Feb
So in your opinion, there was probably no economic decision making about leaving the borders wide open?
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42 sats \ 1 reply \ @denlillaapan 20 Feb
no, don't think so. And certainly not coordinated enough, with that outcome in mind.
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