I am not saying DAO's a bad, no idea is bad, I am saying their are clear holes in the idea and the implementation, it's not FUD to point that out.

I just don't think you NEED a blockchain or a token to be a DAO, you can have a treasury, you can have distributed labour and freelancing without it being on-chain, in theory any opensource project can be one

As for your examples, I don't see how they really make a case for those products being vastly improved versus other options and how they would outcompete a centralised offering