10 sats \ 0 replies \ @ek 7 Nov 2022
https://nitter.net/CapitalistDog1/status/1589643336146915329
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0 sats \ 9 replies \ @takaponka 7 Nov 2022
Do you agree with him ? I'm excited about BOLT12. I don't see how it is similar to onion routing which will slow the protocol and makes it unreliable. LNURL is good but needs DNS and set up is not newbie friendly.
I'm not techy enough to understand maybe, I've read some DOC about BOLT12 and I don't see how it emulates TOR in any way.
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0 sats \ 8 replies \ @0330830bf9 OP 7 Nov 2022
As pointed out in the thread, Bolt12 is onion messaging. It's not just similar, it's exactly the same.
By bouncing onion messages around, it adds latency and failure probability with each hop, and this is before even attempting the payment... it's just to fetch the invoice.
Web-based services don't need to trust DNS, they can use signatures too but in a more performant and scalable architecture.
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5 sats \ 4 replies \ @Lumor 7 Nov 2022
Connecting directly to a lnurl web server exposes traffic metadata to observers.
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0 sats \ 3 replies \ @0330830bf9 OP 7 Nov 2022
No, SSL protects the data... It's only observable if you use a bridge.
There are also other projects using nostr relays with end to end encryption
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10 sats \ 2 replies \ @Lumor 8 Nov 2022
I'm referring to metadata, not the data itself. You connecting to a specific merchant over SSL is enough information in many cases.
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0 sats \ 1 reply \ @0330830bf9 OP 8 Nov 2022
Need to obfuscate that type of information is extremely niche, not something that justifies harming reliability of the entire network, that's what vpns etc are for
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @Lumor 8 Nov 2022
I agree users should be able to set the number of intermediate hops to zero, and intermediate hops should be paid 1 sat minimum to reduce spam. Defaulting to 1-2 hops helps the privacy for those who need it though.
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0 sats \ 2 replies \ @takaponka 7 Nov 2022
Thanks for your answer, but you say "BOLT12 is an onion messaging protocol."
That's a statement, I've read docs on BOLT12 and didn't see anything on onion routing.
Nothing on being slow and unreliable as TOR. No actors of the LN space called it out loud neither.
So I'm sceptical
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10 sats \ 1 reply \ @0330830bf9 OP 7 Nov 2022
Onion Messages are literally the first item listed under "Technology" on bolt12.org
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @takaponka 8 Nov 2022
I saw that. If it is as reliable as Tor then indeed it's dead on arrival. Routing node admins won't bother with it.
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