bitcoin

Are we close to consensus for Bitcoin's next upgrade?

0xbitcoiner

I think you're underestimating the round trip of a tx, for all practical purposes that'd be at least ~300 sats and at $1 a sat greater than the the net worth of people the scammers claim to want to scale to

> shared utxo model even if a case can be made for YAGNI

absolutely won't need it, but that's beside the point, which is there is no such thing as a shared UTXO

A UTXO can be in a multi-sig (externally governed), but as far as Bitcoin works it has no apportionment. 

Since a "shared" UTXO is an abstraction over and above Bitcoin, it is not Bitcoin, it does not have Bitcoin's security model... it's prone to sybil or other attacks on its EXTERNAL governance structure... 

Since shared UTXO's are not a thing, anyting claiming to be one is a shitcoin... something like Liquid or other side-chain... the new scam is to re-brand sidechains as Ark's / Drivechains etc... all effectively a shadow chain with non-Bitcoin governance

(I'm sure some moron reading this will try and gotchya that Lightning uses shared UTXOs, but they are retards, Lightning has channel points, each Lightning user must be able to afford resolution to their own UTXO)
