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10 sats \ 3 replies \ @kepford OP 30 Apr \ parent \ on: How does MSTR buy billions in bitcoin without sending the price parabolic? bitcoin
Yeah, we can't really know can we... this is the humility central planners lack.
here is what Grok says about the video:
Joe Burnett, a market research director, analyzes how MicroStrategy (MSTR) purchases billions in Bitcoin without causing a price surge, likely using over-the-counter (OTC) trades to minimize market impact, as OTC trading allows large transactions with less price slippage (bitcoin.com).
MicroStrategy holds 553,555 Bitcoins as of April 28, 2025, acquired at an average price of $66,384.56 per Bitcoin, totaling $33.139 billion, showcasing a strategic accumulation that avoids public exchanges (treasuries.bitbo.io).
The post sparks debate on X, with users questioning the "net neutral" impact on Bitcoin's price, as institutional buying through MSTR could reduce liquid supply, potentially driving prices higher if long-term holders dominate (bitcoinmagazine.com).
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here is a deeper drive from Grok:
Key Points
Research suggests MicroStrategy uses OTC trading to buy Bitcoin without spiking prices.
It seems likely their strategy involves timing and capital-raising to minimize market impact.
The evidence leans toward OTC trading being key, but some debate its full effect on price. How MicroStrategy Buys Bitcoin Without Spiking Prices MicroStrategy, a major corporate Bitcoin holder, has been buying large amounts of Bitcoin in 2025 without causing its price to skyrocket. Research suggests they use over-the-counter (OTC) trading, which lets them make big purchases privately, avoiding immediate price jumps on public exchanges. It seems likely they also time their buys and raise capital through shares to reduce market disruption. However, some debate how much this truly neutralizes price impact, as capital flow into MicroStrategy could still affect Bitcoin indirectly. Background on MicroStrategy As of April 28, 2025, MicroStrategy holds 553,555 Bitcoins, worth about $33.139 billion at an average purchase price of $66,384.56 per Bitcoin. They've been steadily increasing their holdings, making them a significant player in the crypto market. OTC Trading and Strategy OTC trading allows large transactions off public exchanges, minimizing price volatility. For example, in December 2020, Coinbase brokered a $425 million Bitcoin purchase for MicroStrategy using OTC methods (Coinbase Brokered MicroStrategy's $425M Bitcoin Purchase). This approach likely helps them buy billions without sending prices parabolic, as seen in their 2025 purchases, like adding 6,911 BTC for $584.1 million in March (MicroStrategy now holds over 500,000 Bitcoin after $584M purchase). Market Dynamics and Timing It seems likely they also spread purchases over time and time them during stable market conditions, reducing immediate price pressure. Their capital-raising, like aiming for a $42 billion goal with $20 billion already raised by February 2025, supports this strategy (MicroStrategy unveils new name, reports accelerated bitcoin purchases in fourth quarter). Comprehensive Analysis of MicroStrategy's Bitcoin Acquisition Strategy This section provides a detailed examination of the X post by Joe Burnett ( @IIICapital ), posted on April 30, 2025, and the broader context of MicroStrategy's Bitcoin purchasing strategy. The analysis incorporates insights from the post, its replies, and additional research to offer a thorough understanding of how MicroStrategy manages to acquire large amounts of Bitcoin without causing significant price surges. Overview of the X Post and Community Engagement The X post by Joe Burnett, titled "How does MSTR buy billions in bitcoin without sending the price parabolic?" includes an image of Burnett in a professional setting, suggesting a formal discussion, likely linked to a video or article for further explanation. The post, made at 12:58 UTC on April 30, 2025, sparked significant engagement, with 10 replies reflecting diverse perspectives: @Catapilla_ (14:00 UTC) questioned if buying MSTR stock instead of Bitcoin is "net neutral," suggesting new capital into MSTR could still impact Bitcoin's price. @TGreenellis (15:16 UTC) argued the logic is flawed, as selling MSTR to buy Bitcoin would affect Bitcoin's price, implying it's not neutral. @Uncle Bill (15:15 UTC) summarized the argument as "for every buyer, there's a seller," suggesting market balance prevents price spikes. @gigahodler (13:02 UTC) speculated that if Bitcoin's price isn't surging, it might mean retail investors ("plebs") are selling, reducing liquid supply. @joecapp1077 (14:27 UTC) questioned how MSTR buys from long-term holders, as they are unlikely to sell if committed to Bitcoin's long-term value. @ChaseNH (16:15 UTC) highlighted OTC market makers as a key method, noting it allows MSTR to buy without affecting exchange prices. Positive feedback came from users like @BTCpleb0609 , @eatsleepbtc , @BTC_broo , and @paulcprator , indicating the analysis resonated with parts of the community. This discussion underscores the complexity and controversy around institutional Bitcoin buying, with some users focusing on mechanics (OTC trading) and others on broader market dynamics (retail vs. institutional ownership). MicroStrategy's Bitcoin Holdings and Purchase History in 2025 MicroStrategy, rebranded as Strategy in early 2025, has been aggressively accumulating Bitcoin, making it the largest corporate holder. Key data points from early 2025 include: Date Bitcoin Purchased Cost (USD) Total Holdings (BTC) Average Price per BTC (USD) Jan 6, 2025 1,070 ~$101 million 447,470 ~$94,004 Feb 5, 2025 (Cumulative) (Cumulative $20.5B) 471,107 ~$64,511 Mar 24, 2025 6,911 $584.1 million 506,137 ~$84,529 Apr 28, 2025 (Cumulative) (Cumulative $33.139B) 553,555 $66,384.56 As of April 28, 2025, MicroStrategy holds 553,555 BTC, acquired for $33.139 billion at an average price of $66,384.56 per Bitcoin, representing about 2.1% of all Bitcoin ever to be mined (MicroStrategy Bitcoin Holdings Chart & Purchase History). Notable purchases include the January acquisition of 1,070 BTC for $101 million, reported on January 6, 2025 (MicroStrategy kicks off 2025 with 1,070 Bitcoin purchase announcement), and the March purchase of 6,911 BTC for $584.1 million, pushing holdings over 500,000 BTC (MicroStrategy now holds over 500,000 Bitcoin after $584M purchase). Mechanisms Behind Price Stability: OTC Trading and Strategy The primary mechanism for MicroStrategy's ability to buy billions without sending Bitcoin's price parabolic is over-the-counter (OTC) trading. OTC trading involves direct transactions between parties, often facilitated by market makers, which minimizes the immediate impact on public exchange prices. Evidence includes: In December 2020, Coinbase confirmed brokering a $425 million Bitcoin purchase for MicroStrategy using its OTC desk, highlighting the use of smart order routing and time-weighted average price algorithms to minimize market impact (Coinbase Brokered MicroStrategy's $425M Bitcoin Purchase). The reply from @ChaseNH in the X post thread explicitly mentions OTC market makers, aligning with this strategy. This method allows MicroStrategy to execute large buys without triggering the price surges that would occur on public exchanges. Additional strategies include: Strategic Timing: MicroStrategy often times purchases during periods of relative market stability, as seen in their February 2025 pause when Bitcoin was volatile around $100,000 (MicroStrategy Hits the Brakes on Bitcoin Buying—Why Now?). Capital Raising: They fund purchases through equity and debt financings, such as selling shares and issuing convertible notes. By February 5, 2025, they had completed $20 billion of a $42 billion capital-raising plan, significantly ahead of schedule (MicroStrategy unveils new name, reports accelerated bitcoin purchases in fourth quarter). Market Dynamics and Community Debate The X post replies highlight a debate on whether MicroStrategy's strategy is truly "net neutral." For instance: @Catapilla_ and @TGreenellis argue that capital flowing into MSTR to buy Bitcoin could still impact prices, as selling MSTR to buy Bitcoin isn't neutral. @gigahodler suggests that if institutional buying isn't pushing prices up, it might mean retail investors are selling, reducing liquid supply and potentially offsetting price pressure. @joecapp1077 questions how MSTR buys from long-term holders, implying a potential shift in ownership dynamics. These discussions reflect the complexity: while OTC trading minimizes immediate price impact, the broader market effect depends on seller behavior and capital flow, which remains debated. Conclusion MicroStrategy's ability to buy billions in Bitcoin without sending the price parabolic is primarily driven by OTC trading, which allows large transactions with minimal market impact. Their strategic timing, capital-raising efforts, and market dynamics also play a role. However, the full effect on Bitcoin's price remains a topic of discussion, with some arguing indirect impacts via capital flow and ownership shifts. This analysis, based on early 2025 data, provides a comprehensive view of their strategy as of April 30, 2025. Key Citations MicroStrategy Bitcoin Holdings Chart Purchase History MicroStrategy 2025 Bitcoin Buy 1k Announcement MicroStrategy New Name Bitcoin Purchases Q4 MicroStrategy Over 500k Bitcoin 584M Purchase Coinbase Brokered MicroStrategy 425M Bitcoin Buy MicroStrategy Brakes Bitcoin Buying Why Now
It seems likely their strategy involves timing and capital-raising to minimize market impact.
The evidence leans toward OTC trading being key, but some debate its full effect on price. How MicroStrategy Buys Bitcoin Without Spiking Prices MicroStrategy, a major corporate Bitcoin holder, has been buying large amounts of Bitcoin in 2025 without causing its price to skyrocket. Research suggests they use over-the-counter (OTC) trading, which lets them make big purchases privately, avoiding immediate price jumps on public exchanges. It seems likely they also time their buys and raise capital through shares to reduce market disruption. However, some debate how much this truly neutralizes price impact, as capital flow into MicroStrategy could still affect Bitcoin indirectly. Background on MicroStrategy As of April 28, 2025, MicroStrategy holds 553,555 Bitcoins, worth about $33.139 billion at an average purchase price of $66,384.56 per Bitcoin. They've been steadily increasing their holdings, making them a significant player in the crypto market. OTC Trading and Strategy OTC trading allows large transactions off public exchanges, minimizing price volatility. For example, in December 2020, Coinbase brokered a $425 million Bitcoin purchase for MicroStrategy using OTC methods (Coinbase Brokered MicroStrategy's $425M Bitcoin Purchase). This approach likely helps them buy billions without sending prices parabolic, as seen in their 2025 purchases, like adding 6,911 BTC for $584.1 million in March (MicroStrategy now holds over 500,000 Bitcoin after $584M purchase). Market Dynamics and Timing It seems likely they also spread purchases over time and time them during stable market conditions, reducing immediate price pressure. Their capital-raising, like aiming for a $42 billion goal with $20 billion already raised by February 2025, supports this strategy (MicroStrategy unveils new name, reports accelerated bitcoin purchases in fourth quarter). Comprehensive Analysis of MicroStrategy's Bitcoin Acquisition Strategy This section provides a detailed examination of the X post by Joe Burnett ( @IIICapital ), posted on April 30, 2025, and the broader context of MicroStrategy's Bitcoin purchasing strategy. The analysis incorporates insights from the post, its replies, and additional research to offer a thorough understanding of how MicroStrategy manages to acquire large amounts of Bitcoin without causing significant price surges. Overview of the X Post and Community Engagement The X post by Joe Burnett, titled "How does MSTR buy billions in bitcoin without sending the price parabolic?" includes an image of Burnett in a professional setting, suggesting a formal discussion, likely linked to a video or article for further explanation. The post, made at 12:58 UTC on April 30, 2025, sparked significant engagement, with 10 replies reflecting diverse perspectives: @Catapilla_ (14:00 UTC) questioned if buying MSTR stock instead of Bitcoin is "net neutral," suggesting new capital into MSTR could still impact Bitcoin's price. @TGreenellis (15:16 UTC) argued the logic is flawed, as selling MSTR to buy Bitcoin would affect Bitcoin's price, implying it's not neutral. @Uncle Bill (15:15 UTC) summarized the argument as "for every buyer, there's a seller," suggesting market balance prevents price spikes. @gigahodler (13:02 UTC) speculated that if Bitcoin's price isn't surging, it might mean retail investors ("plebs") are selling, reducing liquid supply. @joecapp1077 (14:27 UTC) questioned how MSTR buys from long-term holders, as they are unlikely to sell if committed to Bitcoin's long-term value. @ChaseNH (16:15 UTC) highlighted OTC market makers as a key method, noting it allows MSTR to buy without affecting exchange prices. Positive feedback came from users like @BTCpleb0609 , @eatsleepbtc , @BTC_broo , and @paulcprator , indicating the analysis resonated with parts of the community. This discussion underscores the complexity and controversy around institutional Bitcoin buying, with some users focusing on mechanics (OTC trading) and others on broader market dynamics (retail vs. institutional ownership). MicroStrategy's Bitcoin Holdings and Purchase History in 2025 MicroStrategy, rebranded as Strategy in early 2025, has been aggressively accumulating Bitcoin, making it the largest corporate holder. Key data points from early 2025 include: Date Bitcoin Purchased Cost (USD) Total Holdings (BTC) Average Price per BTC (USD) Jan 6, 2025 1,070 ~$101 million 447,470 ~$94,004 Feb 5, 2025 (Cumulative) (Cumulative $20.5B) 471,107 ~$64,511 Mar 24, 2025 6,911 $584.1 million 506,137 ~$84,529 Apr 28, 2025 (Cumulative) (Cumulative $33.139B) 553,555 $66,384.56 As of April 28, 2025, MicroStrategy holds 553,555 BTC, acquired for $33.139 billion at an average price of $66,384.56 per Bitcoin, representing about 2.1% of all Bitcoin ever to be mined (MicroStrategy Bitcoin Holdings Chart & Purchase History). Notable purchases include the January acquisition of 1,070 BTC for $101 million, reported on January 6, 2025 (MicroStrategy kicks off 2025 with 1,070 Bitcoin purchase announcement), and the March purchase of 6,911 BTC for $584.1 million, pushing holdings over 500,000 BTC (MicroStrategy now holds over 500,000 Bitcoin after $584M purchase). Mechanisms Behind Price Stability: OTC Trading and Strategy The primary mechanism for MicroStrategy's ability to buy billions without sending Bitcoin's price parabolic is over-the-counter (OTC) trading. OTC trading involves direct transactions between parties, often facilitated by market makers, which minimizes the immediate impact on public exchange prices. Evidence includes: In December 2020, Coinbase confirmed brokering a $425 million Bitcoin purchase for MicroStrategy using its OTC desk, highlighting the use of smart order routing and time-weighted average price algorithms to minimize market impact (Coinbase Brokered MicroStrategy's $425M Bitcoin Purchase). The reply from @ChaseNH in the X post thread explicitly mentions OTC market makers, aligning with this strategy. This method allows MicroStrategy to execute large buys without triggering the price surges that would occur on public exchanges. Additional strategies include: Strategic Timing: MicroStrategy often times purchases during periods of relative market stability, as seen in their February 2025 pause when Bitcoin was volatile around $100,000 (MicroStrategy Hits the Brakes on Bitcoin Buying—Why Now?). Capital Raising: They fund purchases through equity and debt financings, such as selling shares and issuing convertible notes. By February 5, 2025, they had completed $20 billion of a $42 billion capital-raising plan, significantly ahead of schedule (MicroStrategy unveils new name, reports accelerated bitcoin purchases in fourth quarter). Market Dynamics and Community Debate The X post replies highlight a debate on whether MicroStrategy's strategy is truly "net neutral." For instance: @Catapilla_ and @TGreenellis argue that capital flowing into MSTR to buy Bitcoin could still impact prices, as selling MSTR to buy Bitcoin isn't neutral. @gigahodler suggests that if institutional buying isn't pushing prices up, it might mean retail investors are selling, reducing liquid supply and potentially offsetting price pressure. @joecapp1077 questions how MSTR buys from long-term holders, implying a potential shift in ownership dynamics. These discussions reflect the complexity: while OTC trading minimizes immediate price impact, the broader market effect depends on seller behavior and capital flow, which remains debated. Conclusion MicroStrategy's ability to buy billions in Bitcoin without sending the price parabolic is primarily driven by OTC trading, which allows large transactions with minimal market impact. Their strategic timing, capital-raising efforts, and market dynamics also play a role. However, the full effect on Bitcoin's price remains a topic of discussion, with some arguing indirect impacts via capital flow and ownership shifts. This analysis, based on early 2025 data, provides a comprehensive view of their strategy as of April 30, 2025. Key Citations MicroStrategy Bitcoin Holdings Chart Purchase History MicroStrategy 2025 Bitcoin Buy 1k Announcement MicroStrategy New Name Bitcoin Purchases Q4 MicroStrategy Over 500k Bitcoin 584M Purchase Coinbase Brokered MicroStrategy 425M Bitcoin Buy MicroStrategy Brakes Bitcoin Buying Why Now
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Grok can't read minds either....
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