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10 sats \ 4 replies \ @Solomonsatoshi 8 May \ on: To talk or not to talk with normies about libertarianism ideasfromtheedge
Libertarian ideology is a decadent outgrowth of the decadent western civilisation that has dominated global wealth and resources for centuries.
The idea of individual 'rights' being more important than the individuals obligations to the group they belong to is something that has developed most strongly in the societies which have come to dominate others cultures and gained wealth and power via imperialism.
The individuals in these privileged dominant societies come to expect more and more 'rights' from the state and to take the state and its provisions more and more for granted.
This is the beginning of the end for these societies as other competing societies where such a sense of entitlement is not so developed.
China is an example of where citizens understand very well the consequences of a weak nation state government- The Opium Wars left China devastated for a century. Only in recent decades has the Chinese state come to respond to the dominance of western civilisation in an effective manner by combining state led economic strategies with the natural entrepreneurship of Chinese people.
In contrast decadent Libertarians moan about paying taxes as though the infrastructure and military productive power and power projection of the state is not essential to their individual wealth and security.
The nation state and its effective functioning is crucial to the wealth and security of citizens- most even westerners still vaguely understand this.
There has never been an enduring wealthy dominant culture develop and sustained without good government playing a crucial role in the process.
of course, without the govt who would build the roads lol
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There is an efficiency in a government that can plan and direct infrastructure in a manner that creates a self reinforcing virtuous cycle.
A government for example that develops transport infrastructure than improves the marketability of its farmers and manufacturers improves their profitability and ability to pay taxes to fund further development.
It is via this process whereby the government has the unique position, mandate and capacity to develop the productive potential of its jurisdiction and the ability to fund it in an ongoing way that determines which economies come to dominate and which come to be subjugated.
You cannot give any examples of wealthy nations where the government has not performed this role, because it is just as nonsensical as Libertarian ideology itself is.
Private enterprise can and does not ever have the mandate, incentive and ability to develop the productive economy and national security in the same manner, and it never does.
As Adam Smith put it hundreds of years ago 'People of the same trade seldom meet together, even for merriment and diversion, but the conversation ends in a conspiracy against the publick, or in some contrivance to raise prices'
No much has changed and you still need a good government to regulate and manage the overall best functioning and development and security of the economy...while enabling free enterprise to thrive within that framework.
It is a subtle expertise and balance - something lost on the crude black and white reasoning of Libertarians.
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So you're in favor of central planning. That makes us enemies, goodbye.
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If you are confident of your ideology and the reasoning behind it you will invite and welcome alternative views as an opportunity to demonstrate the advantages your position and views supposedly offer.
If on the other hand you are not confident and capable to reason and present the logic and strength of your ideology, but instead it is based on a shallow set of premises, poor reasoning and desire to belong to a group of fellow believers, you will stumble and revert to reactionary silence and inability to engage in and win the contest of ideas.
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