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54 sats \ 15 replies \ @ek 14 May \ on: Just fucking use HTML devs
I didn't even read it yet but I already know I'm going to love it
I built zapback with HTMX and I didn't regret it
htmlx is a javascript framework
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It's an "un-framework", in that beautiful middle spot between HTML and convoluted shit like Next... the DX is completely different
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So? The point is that I didn't have to write a ton of Javascript that renders HTML myself, HTMX is only adding attributes to HTML, and it's not a "bloated, overengineered mess."
Working with HTMX is completely different from other JavaScript frameworks, so saying HTMX is a Javascript framework isn't appropriate imo.
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No, it is not adding attributes... all custom tags and attributes are valid in html, they just do nothing by default... HTMX is calling a ton of querySelectorAll to select its own custom tag and then run javascript on them.
This is very inefficient and bloated, you can just write html and use plain javascript querySelector for the elements you need, this is what htmx does, it just does it for a lot of stuff you don't need.
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Please explain how the inefficiencies and bloat you see in HTMX actually matter. Do they significantly slow down the site or make HTMX too complicated to use?
But to entertain your argument: it's 1,604 lines of code in a single file 1 with zero dependencies. If there's something you don't need, you could just remove that code yourself. That's how simple it is. Try doing that with a common JS framework like React, Vue, or Angular.
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How much "bloat" can there be in less than 2,000 lines? ↩
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Unpkg cuts the code at 1600 lines, the full source is actually 5000+ lines.
There is no point in judging quality and efficiency by counting the lines of code... a 10 line code can be slower and more inefficient than a 1000 lines code, what matters is what the code does.
React, vue and angular are also zero dependency. There is also a lightweight version of vue .
It looks like you sing praises to htmx only because it is a less known outsider than the other frameworks that everyone uses, but it is really no different, and you often don't need a js framework. That's my point.
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It looks like you sing praises to htmx only because it is a less known outsider than the other frameworks that everyone uses, but it is really no different
Wow, I'm wasting my time replying to you. You now write this and you didn't even explain why what you said before matters:
Please explain how the inefficiencies and bloat you see in HTMX actually matter. Do they significantly slow down the site or make HTMX too complicated to use?
I will just refer you to #980353.
somebody should share this convincing the HTMX Twitter account... in sure it would be very appreciated
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apologies.. late nite swypo.
s/convincing/conversation
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