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So, my buddy just hit me up, wants to buy like a thousand euros worth of Bitcoin from me. He's pretty clueless about exchanges and buying btc without all that KYC hassle, same as me, really. I was thinking I could just sell him some of mine, and then I'd buy it back later to replace it. But I'm kinda wondering, what do you guys, the stackers, think? Is that the smartest way to do it, or should I just point him towards an exchange?
Sell it off50.0%
Send 'em to a broker8.3%
Something else41.7%
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142 sats \ 2 replies \ @Wumbo 21 May
I know he is a friend but I would ask him to pay above spot price because you are dealing with all the KYC hassle on your side.
Also keep in mind your coin control. Think of which UTXO you will be spending out of, as not to dox your whole BTC amount to your friend.
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you can use a coinjoin to protect your privacy
I agree friend should pay above spot for nonKYC sats
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Thanks for the heads-up on that, I hadn't even thought about those points.
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never ever send someone to an exchange... especially if are friends!
If you don't want to sell your sats, offer him guidance to do it together on Robosats, Mostro or the LNp2pBot on telegram. Avoid any KYC app, even apps that ask your phone number should be avoided.
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Neither of us knows squat about getting sats without KYC
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21 sats \ 4 replies \ @supratic 22h
asking questions is the best you can do :) you are in the right place here
Start from:
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Are you able to get a telegram account without a phone number? I tried a while back, couldn't do it.
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0 sats \ 1 reply \ @supratic 19h
no, but you can get a temporary, kyc-free, voip number for the sms verification and get an account
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I tried quite a bit through...now I'm forgetting what service I tried to use. This is many months ago. But it never worked, Telegram never accepted the number. Could you suggest a specific site?
I know there are some legit smart people here. I've seen tutorials on this before, but I never pulled the trigger. Right now, I need something faster. I don't like telling people what to do about things I'm not good at myself.
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Buying P2P is a great goal, and may be manageable if you're 1 to 1.
But honestly, only maybe 1 in 100 people that are interested in bitcoin will be able to buy P2P at the beginning, without a lot of help. There's way too many barriers.
It's a basic guide on buying bitcoin. I tried to strike a reasonable balance between being doable, and privacy conscious. Feedback welcome!


Exercise 3: Buy Bitcoin

In this step, you’ll actually purchase bitcoin, using whichever source you prefer from the options given below. In the exercise after this one, you’ll move some of that bitcoin to the wallet you created in Exercise 2.
How much will you buy? Choose an amount that you’re comfortable with, probably less than 50 to 100 USD, or the equivalent in other currencies.
This should be an amount small enough that you’re not worried about losing it, but large enough to be able to do all the exercises. You’ll pay transaction fees to move the bitcoin around to different wallets, but otherwise the bitcoin is yours to keep. And you’ll learn more about transaction fees as you go through the exercises.
A reminder—when you’re buying bitcoin in this step, you’re not buying it on an exchange traded fund (ETF), because then you wouldn’t be holding and managing your own bitcoin. Instead, you’re buying bitcoin that you can receive into your own wallet, in self custody.
Since there’s so many different sources to buy bitcoin from, I can’t walk you through the process of setting up an account and buying bitcoin, because it will be different everywhere. But I’ll give you some general thoughts about the best ways and sources to buy from.
Also, a note about keeping your bitcoin safe—at this point, you just need to take very basic security precautions. This is because: • The amounts that you’re dealing with are small. • The wallets you’re working with are temporary. Once you’ve finished the exercises, you’ll send the bitcoin to another wallet.

Where should you buy bitcoin? KYC or P2P

There are two main ways of buying bitcoin, KYC (“Know Your Customer”) and P2P (Peer To Peer).
KYC is what most people use, in countries where exchanges are available. It means using a centralized exchange, which follows government “Know Your Customer” laws. On a KYC exchange, you need to open an account, linked to your government ID, to purchase bitcoin. You will need to go through an identity verification process. This usually includes submitting photos of government-issued ID, as well as facial scans.
P2P means you’re not going through a regular exchange. Instead, you’re buying from a peer—someone who owns bitcoin and wants to sell it.
If you’re lucky enough to have a friend or family member who’s willing to sell you a small amount of bitcoin, then the transaction can be very simple. You hand the friend or family member some cash, and give them a bitcoin address from your wallet. Then they send you the bitcoin (minus the transaction fee).
But often, P2P trades will be done online, via one of the secure, private services mentioned below.
One of the main benefits of buying P2P is increased privacy. If you’re buying peer to peer, the only other person that knows about the purchase is the seller. However, if you’re buying from a KYC exchange, your personal information is available to both the exchange, and the government. And considering how often companies have been hacked and their customer database stolen—it’s not just the government who could get your data. Criminal gangs could get it as well.
The problem for people just starting to buy bitcoin is that for these P2P services, you need to already own at least a small amount of bitcoin. This is because usually a bitcoin bond or escrow needs to be set up.
KYC Exchanges If you’ve decided that for now, you’ll use a KYC exchange, you have many options. It’s important to purchase from a bitcoin-only exchange. An exchange that is bitcoin-only will have fewer points of failure. And more importantly, they won’t try to sell you other, inferior cryptocurrencies, that they make more commission on. Companies that sell anything other than bitcoin (exchanges such as Coinbase, Kraken, Robinhood, Binance) are not recommended.
There’s a saying among bitcoiners that expresses a core belief—that Bitcoin stands alone, and is fundamentally superior to other cryptocurrencies. Bitcoin, not crypto.
Here’s some KYC exchanges that are Bitcoin-only. This is not an exhaustive list, and this information can change quickly, so do your own research. Also, the exchange should make it very clear that they will actually allow you to withdraw your bitcoin, to your own wallet.
Strike (Many countries) https://strike.me/ Swan (US) https://www.swanbitcoin.com/ Unchained Capital (US) https://unchained.com/ River (US) https://river.com/ Cashapp (US, UK) https://cash.app Relai (Europe, Swiss-based) https://relai.app/ Bull Bitcoin (Canada, Europe) https://www.bullbitcoin.com/
P2P exchanges In general, using a P2P exchange can be a little more challenging. Also, even more so than with KYC exchanges, you’ll need to stay informed because the P2P markets can change quickly. But on the plus side, you get the best possible privacy, and that’s worth a lot.
Below are some of the more common P2P exchanges. For more options, take a look at this site: https://kycnot.me/.
Robosats requires a Bitcoin Lightning wallet in order to use it (see the Resources section at the end of this book for more information on Lightning), but it’s one of the most popular and easiest P2P exchanges.
In the next exercise, you will need to have already completed the purchase of bitcoin. It needs to be ready to send, from the exchange to your own receive address.
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Good info, appreciate it!
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21 sats \ 0 replies \ @flat24 22h
I think both options could be valid. You could sell them something, explain the process, and then replace the SATs with the Fiat I gave you. Or you could also send it to robosats or lnp2pbot and tell them how to do it from there.
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Just tell him to buy it from an exchange so he can get his feet wet. Then he will understand fees and spread a bit more. And he can keep it on an exchange until he is comfortable putting it on his own private wallet.
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That's why I was thinking about sending it to a broker.
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Bitcoin isn't meant to be sold 🔐— it's a store of value, though sometimes we need to spend a little; better to help your friend buy his own via tools like Bisq, RoboSats or Peach and keep stacking! ⚡
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21 sats \ 0 replies \ @OT 21 May
Better keep yours IMO. Help him buy some on Bisq or Peach. I think there should be plenty of Euro orders up there.
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I was thinking I could just sell him some of mine, and then I'd buy it back later to replace it.
Provided you'll replace it. But I think it's best to help him buy his own via non-kyc P2P methods.
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give him a satscard with 1 million sats - he won't have any idea what to do with it, and he'll hand it back to u whenever he's happy about the GaInZ; if he loses it, that's better than selling it back to the exchanges
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ask him to go to meet up or bisq/robotosats...
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