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I had a couple people in the last few weeks grill me about my fiber consumption (I'm on a carnivore diet, and eat only animal products containing zero fiber).
"Don't you get constipated?" "But everybody needs lots of fiber!"
This is some of what I heard. I tried to tell my questioners about the research, and my personal experience after having gone carnivore, but I don't think it sank in. All the "fiber is healthy and we must eat it" propaganda has been drilled into us so deep, and so long, that my counterarguments really just bounce off.
And certainly, I thought the same, 2 years ago.
But here's what I know now, from personal experience eating carnivore for the past...I guess it's been 18 months or so.
  • bowel movements diminish drastically with zero fiber, from lots, daily, to very small, and once every 4 or 5 days. That doesn't bother me at all, I prefer it.
  • You do need to adjust at the beginning. People starting carnivore abruptly, switching from one day to the next - they can get diarrhea or constipation. That settles after a while, though.
  • You get a LOT less gas. Some people say no gas, for me me I'd say much less.
  • Other than that - digestion is absolutely fine, better than before. No issues whatsoever.
So, I'm perfectly happy on my zero fiber diet.
AND...there's lots of evidence, not just that you don't NEED fiber, but that it can actively be bad for you. Check out this video with Dr. Paul Mason - 'From fibre to the microbiome: low carb gut health' - on the channel Low Carb Down Under. He provides some very good evidence in it.
Here's a "blast from the past" comment from me, about a year and a half ago, when I was first thinking seriously about fiber. #341697
Along these lines - I've been thinking recently about the concept "whole grains are good for you". I pretty much accepted that refined grains aren't that great, but thought my big bowl of steel cut oats every morning was the greatest thing ever. With all my "superfood" add-ins, like peanut butter, blueberries, chia seeds, etc. But is this actually true? Yes, whole grains are less addictive and thus healthier than refined grains. You're less likely to overeat them. Still...are they healthier than animal products like meat, dairy, etc.? Should we actually eat them at all, are they in any way useful except for being cheap? When you really dig down, all the claims seem to evaporate. Fiber seems to be an anti-nutrient as well. Now, darn it, I'm reconsidering my morning breakfast routine that I've had for decades. I may have to ditch it entirely.
There's a lot we don't know about nutrition. It's kind of amazing how much we are guessing about. But there are studies, and dietary fiber has been a major focus of nutritional studies for a couple decades. There is a lot of statistically significant evidence that increasing DF is good vs a standard diet. Nobody is studying it versus a carnivore diet that I've seen.
However, we can definitely zoom in on one area. Cancer. There are some pretty good reasons to think carnivore diets increase risk of colorectal cancer while fiber decreases that risk. And fiber's role in hormone regulation isn't nailed down but appears to have good effects on some cancers too. But that's just one set of risk factors and there are a bunch of others to consider.
Anyway, the point of all this is not to say that a carnivore diet is bad and fiber is good. It's just to try to ground the conversation in some of the actual literature (e.g. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2213453021000677) and to start trying to identify tradeoffs. Like, if you're on a carnivore diet, please do your annual colon cancer screening. Do your blood panels religiously. Maybe keep tabs on your gut biome. Read the studies as they come out. You're way out in the fringes and you'll have to take responsibility and control. Managing your health on vibes and intuition is not the way to go.
As for myself, I spent a decade working on my dietary issues and reached a pretty good point: low carb but usually not keto. I augment with fiber (chia seeds and whatnot) when I can. I feel good and my blood tests get thumbs up from my doc.
Every body is different. Good luck figuring out what works for you!
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Do you think it's a matter of higher fiber being an improvement on the Standard American Diet, but not necessary on a no carb diet?
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Yes, I think that's it.
Here's the hierarchy in my opinion
Absolute worst - SAD - standard american diet, lots of soda, packaged junk food, juice, sugary lattes from Starbucks, lots of crap fried in seed oil
Not as bad - Standard "healthy" diet- the way I was eating, before carnivore. Lots of whole grains, very limited junk food/sweets, lots of fruits and veggies, limited meat and when, then mostly chicken. Low fat. Mostly avoid animal products, though not vegetarian.
Best - carnivore. Or at least low carb/keto.
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39 sats \ 5 replies \ @nichro 3 Jun
I'm gonna take one for the team and ask the TMI question on everyone's mind:
If you poop every 4-5 days do you drop absolutely massive deuces? Like they must be double-flushers at least right?
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5 sats \ 3 replies \ @ek 3 Jun
I tried carnivore before, and I would say no, you just don't poop much at all. Makes sense, because you also don't eat much in terms of volume. I think your body simply absorbs almost everything from meat.
That experience also changed my mind on fiber: you don't need it as much since there's not much that needs to come out anyway.
You should definitely drink a lot of water on carnivore though.
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Actually that whole factor with having a MUCH lower volume of bowel movements was also a part of convincing me that carnivore was a much better way to eat.
After all - you're body is absorbing ALMOST EVERYTHING that you're eating. Whereas previously, eating lots of fruits and veggies and whole grains - most of it, in terms of volume, was expelled out again.
That's gotta mean something, right? Your body is using almost every bit of the carnivore foods. Logically, it must be better for you.
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34 sats \ 1 reply \ @ek 3 Jun
Yeah intuitively it makes sense, but not sure I would say logically since what is and isn’t good for us is probably more complicated
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I don't know...I think both intuitively and logically it makes sense that if bowel movements are trivial (i.e. our bodies are absorbing most of what we eat, instead of expelling much of it as waste), that we're best suited to a carnivore diet.
Yes, sure, it's more complicated. But this one thing feels pretty significant to me.
Also to me, what feels very important is that within 3 weeks of when I started (not even full carnivore, just far more meat and limiting grains/veggies/fruit), I felt so much peppier and continue to feel that way.
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No, not at all. I'd say, honestly, about 1/4 to 1/3 the size.
from lots, daily, to very small, and once every 4 or 5 days
But I will say...MUCH more dense.
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Is it not true?!
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I know, shocking, right? If you're serious - check out the video, it's really good.
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What is the main reason why you do not eat fiber ?
Fiber, you mean you do not eat anymore seeds, grain etc... ? and what about veggie as they are fiber, too?
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I eat no fiber because I'm eating Carnivore. And that means I eat no plant products. So that means no veggies, grains, etc.
Animal products have no fiber.
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why only meat ?
just want to understand...
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Here's some info if you want to learn more about the carnivore diet. If you want something really comprehensive, read the book The Big Fat Surprise (described at the bottom).
Dr Shawn Baker - book, The Carnivore Diet - a great overview, easy to read. He also has a great podcast, and a great youtube channel Dr Ken Berry - youtube channel, very highly regarded Dr Anthony Chaffee - has podcast Plant Free MD. He's also on youtube quite a bit, I'm not sure if he has his own channel
There's a great book on how low-carb/carnivore can heal mental health issues, called Change Your Diet, Change Your Mind by Dr Georgia Ede. It's a very well written and practical book on why excess carbohydrates can be very bad for you body and mind, and specifically some strategies (not just carnivore) to to improve both body and mind. Great book. Also Chris Palmer has book (Brain Energy) that is similar, but a little more academic and not so practical. But interviews with him are interesting as well.
If you're not interested in reading the books, or just want a sample first, all the the people I mentioned usually have some great interviews that you can listen to on youtube (or podcasts).
Movie Fat - a documentary on Youtube - Vinnie Tortorich
The Big Fat Surprise - book by Nina Teicholtz - This is a great (but not short), easy to read overview of why you shouldn't trust the current dietary guidelines. It's an outstanding book and won a lot of awards, this is what started me out, in terms of questioning standard nutritional advice. There's not a ton on the carnivore diet in particular, but lots of info on how fruits/veggies/fiber/whole grains aren't as great for you as we've been told, and also on how cholesterol is a bad endpoint for measuring cardiovascular health (because people with lower cholesterol often have shorter lifespans), and how meat, eggs, and dairy are actually very healthy for you.
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thks for your message and time :)
Check out "carnivore diet" on youtube or google there is tons of information about it
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you do not want to answer...it s up to you
you do not eat fruit too ?
Never trust a fart
Do carnivores, in the wild, poo?
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