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0 sats \ 1 reply \ @CliffBadger 29 Sep \ parent \ on: How Should Christians Discuss Social and Political Topics? AskSN
I think if Nineveh kills Jonah, don't send anyone else.
Bitcoin is (potentially) a monetary system but it is not an economy. Do you even understand the difference???
I think this is just a cultural difference in how we process information. The EU is technically an economic alliance, but in my view that alone amounts to an encroachment on the sovereignty of each member state. You can claim that Bitcoin isn't an economy by your definition of economy, but if my entire life is structured around the price of Bitcoin, then as far as I'm concerned Bitcoin is the economy. It's less a matter of right and wrong, and more a difference in how we summarize and parse out the same information, but I think my way is more useful because it takes into account the massive imminent price increase of BTC, whereas when you focus on its current percieved status as a speculative commodity, it implies that the price is random, but I think you're overvaluing current popular opinion at the risk of missing the bigger picture.
If not Somalia can you give example of any functional and prosperous economy that has ever existed without the security and law and order provided by a government?
The Bitcoin economy. You're already in it. Buy bonds if you trust the government so much.
I don't claim one way or the other whether I personally benefit from imperialism or not. The math on that is besides the point. I'm just saying zero federal government would be more fair to everyone involved in general. I don't see why you have to make it personal.
Even if the U.S. government didn't exist, socialist regions would still end up poorer than the ones which embrace capitalism. You're aware of that, right? Or do you want to pretend that nationalization of industry is actually good economic policy? Do you think it's America's fault that Venezuela went to Hell?
there was still government in local and provincial Somalia. And yet this is the best example Libertarians can come up with of no government because their idiotic ideology doesn't work
But having one less government was still a plus.
You wont have much of any industries without a government to provide rule of law and property rights for them.
Why do I need the greatest violator of property rights to enforce property rights? It makes no sense. Citing Somalia as the prime example of statelessness is such a meme scare tactic. We're not even at Hyperbitcoinization yet. Have some imagination.
How does having my own guns and money be forcibly taken from me by a separate organization make me more secure? See, this is the mistake statists make with everything. You see something big and complicated, in this case defense of the homeland, and you just assume it has to be managed by a government. You do it with everything, and then after the government predictably mismanages everything, you blame the regime or some particular policy instead of the system where one guy is allowed to dictate standards for industries they know nothing about.
Why don't you go live somewhere there is no government if you hate government so much?
Because I want to bring the Heavenly Peace to earth, obviously. Such a place doesn't exist yet. It's my responsibility to remain here and liberate my homeland from its government.
Bitcoin does not and cannot provision rule of law and security.
Of course it does. I can buy guns with it, I can pay rent with it, and by design it can't be stolen from me if I'm willing to die with it.
Please go and live in a lawless place with no government- but you will not because you are not insane or suicidal- are you?
I'd like to think so. Is this considered an insult in your culture?
It's not about whether I personally survive or not. My point is that the government shouldn't be in charge of deciding who survives. Bitcoin is a perfectly efficient method of determining who deserves the most money. Otherwise we might as well dump all our Bitcoin and all other assets into a pot and let the Party decide who gets to have how much back while they take a cut for doing the work of reallocating it. You and everyone else only pay taxes when there's a gun to your head because deep down it's not what you want. Taxation is the epitome of "might is right" logic. Literally everything the government does is accomplished through violence or deception.
It's all fun and games until people start discussing the evolutionary implications of what hundreds of years on a Bitcoin standard does to a region.
If I would die without government assistance, then my death is the will of the market and I accept my fate. I don't feel entitled to anything that I can't work for myself, but no I'm not grateful for government agents committing theft on my behalf. I would much prefer to die in a free market than thrive in a slave economy.
Wrong- you did the work and earned the money within the security and rule of law provided by the state.
Nonsense. I don't need a state to be importing terrorist cells and rape gangs for me to do my job. "US hegemony" is a boogeyman made up by other states for the hustle narrative. That's what states like Venezuela use as an excuse for why the territory they own happens to suck. Ordinary civilians don't benefit from the state's war games. SWIFT is an irrelevant, obsolete meme compared to Bitcoin.
If you cannot see it still go live somewhere without government and learn.
Bitcoin is only 16 years old. Getting rid of a government takes time. I live in the US. I promise I will give you a real world example of Bitcoin replacing the government. It might take a few more years to cycle through but the end result will be glorious.
Free enterprise business needs the security of government provided law and order and property rights in order to thrive.
If I need a government's "security" then they can make an offer and I'll pay them for the service, but instead it's always a hustle. If it was actually necessary there'd be no need for threatening to bust my kneecaps and shoot my dog if I don't pay. You're repeating the same arguments that every gang makes. I'll pay the protection fee but I'm not falling for the logic of the argument, because it's a fake argument. It's nothing more than a demand for my money, and all the justifications are noise.
Again, I did the work and earned the money before the government came up with their opinion on how to allocate it, and with no help from them.
If it was solely about security, that might be a plausible argument. If I were actually protected, then I'd be more open to paying the protection fee. The problem is that governments use their monopoly on violence to meddle in every other industry. As soon as the government starts dictating what products to produce, how much to produce, etc., which is what every tax code does, then everyone ends up less wealthy. And I would argue even basic things like security would be handled better by the market.
That's the reason, by the way, that Bitcoin outperforms fiat. It was designed by voluntary participants working to solve a problem. The fact that no government ever thought to limit the supply of their currency is glaring evidence that they fundamentally lack any serious concern for the wealth of nations.
I have at least two different governments/gangs stalking me, and they're fighting with other gangs to see who gets the right to steal from me. You're saying "go somewhere where there's no government." That's the ideal. Getting there is the struggle. My property rights are mandated by God. Governments violate them. They don't protect them. Otherwise they would offer their services in a polite manner and I could choose whether or not to buy from them.
Its not stealing - its leveraging collective liquidity into a strategic development of your economies natural advantages resulting in economic growth and prosperity.
What a ridiculous way to say "gimme your money." You're selling your neighbor a story about this being for the greater good. Who's good? Who decides who's good? Who's who to say who's good is greatest? Why can't we just leave everyone's money alone? Why does there always have to be a hustler somewhere?