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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @broadmode 22 Dec 2023 \ on: Ocean.xyz allows choosing from three block templates: OCEAN, Core+Antispam, Core bitcoin
Embarrassing launch overall.
Git is a DVCS; it would be relatively straightforward to move to the point that it's not worth worrying about Github eventually banning the org+repo.
100 sats \ 1 reply \ @broadmode 9 Dec 2023 \ parent \ on: On Ocean Mining Pool, Inscriptions and Luke bitcoin
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"80 bytes is standard policy on the network" -Adam Back
"Samourai has no obligation of any kind to 'fix', they're using network standard..." -Adam Back
"Luke often is correct, but sometimes only with a non-standard definition." -Adam Back
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"80 bytes is standard policy on the network" -Adam Back
"Samourai has no obligation of any kind to 'fix', they're using network standard..." -Adam Back
"Luke often is correct, but sometimes only with a non-standard definition." -Adam Back
Facts are stubborn things.
Let's hope so. Luke's Bitcoin is more than 2000 commits behind bitcoin:master, so I won't be surprised if more unappealing differences are uncovered in the coming weeks/months.
Exactly, that's why it's so strange to see Ocean.xyz make their entire launch about kicking off ordinals and whirlpool when it should be about miner autonomy via Sv2.
No, Oomah, you don't understand.
You are free to fork #Bitcoin but you are not free of the consequences of that fork.
#Bitcoin is a network where participants have implicit and explicit agreements. Mempool policy is a facet of that contract, and 80 bytes indeed has been standardized over a decade.
Luke can fork #Bitcoin.
Luke can make up his own op_return value.
Luke can undermine the Ocean.xyz launch.
And he has.
What I sincerely can't understand is why you would launch a venture where decentralization and #stratumv2 are the marketed goals and then disband the standard mempool policy of the last 10 years.
Now the entire Ocean.xyz conversation has been sullied by this absurd and tired OP_RETURN war.
If Luke won't be able to dictate miners soon, then why on earth kick up a shit storm in the short period of time where he can dictate to the pool? Why not just stick with the policy rules in 85%+ standard miners.
Imagine if, instead of censoring Whirlpool, Ocean went out with OFAC-compliant blocks only. This is Wasabi-level regardation.
You are free to fork #Bitcoin but you are not free of the consequences of that fork.
You are free to censor #Whirpool but you are not free of the consequences of that censorship.
#Bitcoin is an open space, but every consequential change will be thoroughly scrutinized by it's participants and just because you are 'free' to do so does not mean your actions will not be debated.
So few seem to understand this.
Why launch a mining pool with the promise to "decentralize mining" only to cast a shadow over your own release by disbanding policy in #Bitcoin Core that's been standard for nearly 10 years?
Like it or not, Core made 80 byte OP_RETURN part of the network protocol a decade ago and any reduction of that constitutes a breaking change. Owness on Ocean.xyz to fess up and fix it.
Luke should also apologize for tanking Ocean.xyz's launch by sucking the air out of their "decentralization" marketing with his old OP_RETURN feud with Core.
Of course he and anyone else is free to fork, but the space is also free to come to a consensus as to whether it is good and proper or malicious and destructive.
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Core's plan was always to roll out 80 byte OP_RETURN incrementally by starting with 40 to see if it broke anything and then ramping shortly up to the intended 80.
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#Bitcoin Core, having finished that project, has had 80 byte OP_RETURN for nearly a decade now. 85%+ miners have been set to 80 bytes for the same amount of time. Read the commit log. Read the bitcoin-dev mailing list.
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Luke admitted on Shitter/X that he only went along with the Core team because he had his own fork where he would make up his own standard.
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Now that Jack has invested in Luke to decentralize mining, he's cast a shadow over the Ocean.xyz launch by hijacking the conversation and torpedoing their marketing to serve his own vendetta against the Core team.
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Whirlpool transactions are trivial to detect and Luke could whitelist them no problem. Instead we get gaslighting about decentralization and freedom while Luke kneecaps #Bitcoin fungibility.
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What's more centralized? The development process in bitcoin:master with a decade+ track record, ~1000 developers, and 20,000+ code reviews, or Knots, where one dude makes god commits daily, breaking critical aspects of #Bitcoin?
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Until Ocean.xyz launches #StratumV2, it's just another gatekeeper. Ordinals is going to run out of customers like every other shitcoin. We don't need to compromise Core just because Luke didn't get his way 10 years ago.
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GFY.