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"Europe is undeniably healthier, but the U.S. is richer"

I'm posting this to HealthAndFitness precisely because my value judgment is that health trumps wealth. 'Murica is great, but 'Muricans live unhealthy lives (tried shaping up, slackers?!) mentally+spiritually+physically. The descendants of these colonialists really made a mess of things, eh?
Chris Arnade, for The Free Press, kind of agrees... an American blown away by Italian food, what a cliché:
The café there wasn’t anything special by Italian standards, but to me as an American, it was outstanding: a display of fresh pastries and croissants, and an array of fruits, eggs, and sandwiches. Since it was my final day, I splurged and let the waitress-owner pick a sugary raisin pastry for me, and for the next hour, I sipped cappuccinos in the cobblestone square, watching the regulars come and go.
Coming state-side, his 5x more expensive meal was "four eggs on two paper plates with plastic silverware and gas station coffee." Fuck me.
My meal in Italy was uplifting; the one in Atlanta was depressing. The aesthetics of pastries and eggs might seem trivial, but they aren’t—because they point to deeper, more profound differences between two different continents, and two very different cultures.

"The U.S. and Europe really do have two different understandings of what it means to be human, and this manifests in our rules, regulations, and social preferences."

While both the U.S. and Europe share a commitment to classical liberalism and democracy, we have very different definitions of the public good, and therefore very different views of what we want from life. In broad terms, the U.S. emphasizes material wealth, opportunity, and individual liberty, while Europe places more value on community health, shared resources, and a sense of place.
...ish, anyway. Generalizations only go so far. This was a pretty accurate summary, I find:
(can't say I agree that a society and its values are built "top down," but I'll let it slide.)
I am a product of American individuality, cultural flexibility, and economic might, and I’m not here to simply bite the hand that fed me.
rather than claiming Europe is superior, I’m simply saying: It’s different. The vast majority of people born and raised in Europe will prefer it there, and the same is true in the U.S., because we are all primed to embody the values we grow up around, and for almost everyone that means you are more comfortable living in the culture that raised you.
I'm not exactly the greatest fan of Europe -- it's a dying mess of overregulated, over-woked, over-indepted, custodians of hand-me-downs from the truly great societies 150, 400, or 2,000 years ago -- but this piece really moved my needle toward worth fighting for.
The whole piece is truly worth reading, my stupid European opinion aside (#968945).
I'm not quite sure I buy that. There's a lot to think about. Should we compare the average slave or the enlightened one? I get most of my top-notch health content from US publications and podcasters.
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True true true. Americans have higher/more expertise and work harder, and thus what they make and own is vastly exceeding the museum-style output of Fort Europa.
But don't we live better? We kinda do
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19 sats \ 1 reply \ @Shugard 23h
How would you define "better"?
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More, healthier, saner, safer?
I dunno. Good question
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I was just in Madrid and there was a Burger King on every corner
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In general, they are everywhere here in Spain.
Checkmate, Den! Checkmate!
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while Europe places more value on community health, shared resources, and a sense of place.
Is this why 50% of residences in European capital cities are Airbnbs?
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Touché, I guess
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Back when I worked in Europe, I observed the "rather sip coffee all day than work" and found it appalling. But to my surprise when later I worked in the US, there were many people that were sipping coffee all day there too; this was when my personal American dream shattered, and I learned that nationalist identity is bs.
Since I admitted that to myself, I've found awesome people because I was looking for them. From Seoul to Moscow, from Amsterdam to Seattle, from Santo Domingo to Lima. Yes, there are also Germans that are super awesome hard workers between 4 week vacays.
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I think it's fair to say that Americans have mostly lost the plot, when it comes to understanding how to live well.
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24 sats \ 1 reply \ @Car 11 Jun
Big fan of europe, letting people know I am from Texas was all they asked, they didn't care about me being from America. Then when I travel in North America all they care about is that I am from Austin, except if I visit SF they usually give me the stink eye unless I visit Oakland. Thats usually how it goes for me. Yes healthier but America has the better food lets be honest its the land of abundance for a reason. It's also the only place in the world where people come illegally to work as slaves, its a wild place. Homelessness is also rampant as well in America compared to Europe. But every place in the world has its problems its up to the people in the communities to figure them out.
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Nah, both migrant pressures (legal and illegal) and homelessness on the streets are pretty common around here too.
Funny observation re: Austin/Texas :)
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I zapped 100 cuz I laugh in AMERICAN!
You’ll pay that 200 sat post cost and you’ll like it! Follow @hnfbot on X and repost your post!
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I will never forget the gastronomy of Italy, and more specifically that of Rome, one of the best cuisines I have ever tried.
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Europe is more experienced in the art of life and empire. In the end quality of life/community is important. Empires come and go... USA has a lot to learn about the truth that quality of life is more than crude material wealth and power.
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if you live in a place since you were born with your family, your friend, where you have your job, ..... -Would you think the other place is better than mine ? even for money, or for health...??? Except may be, if you live in a conflict zone, or any insane zone...
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