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How far are we from a mint being run by ai, paying for its infrastructure autonomously, taking on a life of its own on the internet?
Mint running seems risky, but if it was just a llm running it, no human involved, perhaps the vision of let a thousand mints bloom could become reality?
How far are we from a mint being run by ai, paying for its infrastructure autonomously, taking on a life of its own on the internet?
Very far. Someone codes the AI routines and therefore controls it. Even if the routines are vibe-coded, someone inputs the
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Sure, the initial seed money comes from somewhere, but if done careful, it remains hard to trace.
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Obscurity should not absolve liability. Freedom is awesome, but no, not the freedom to steal or fuck up without consequences. 1
The whole "it's risky, so let's have an LLM take the risk" is something really, really dangerous imho. This is what scammers do before they rug you: they make up some narrative why it's not their fault. Then somehow you end up poorer and they richer. Always goes like that.
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unless of course, if you fuck with me, I'll be granted the freedom to come and torture you, cut off your head and display it publicly as a deterrent for people to think twice before they fuck with me in the future: "What's in the bag?" ... Opens bag and shows content ... "Eww wtf bro." ... "He fucked with me; this is what happens when you do that." - That's not really considered civilized though, so let's keep the concept of liability. ↩
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I think I'm willing to put up with ruggability if I get something that is difficult for Uncle Sam to shut down.
Liability is good to have, but unfortunately we've pursued liability to such an extent that it has given politicians permission to exert a lot of control over the population.
The motivation of my questions is not how can we avoid risk of rugging, risk of fucking up or stealing, but rather risk of regulation.
An llm running a mint isn't decentralized, but it might give us some of the things we like out of decentralization. And you don't have to use the mint if you don't want to.
Kind of like bitcoin: someone got it started and the system is going now. But it is certainly an advantage that no one group or person is operating it or in charge. It's also voluntary, so you don't have to use it if you don't want to.
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Kind of like bitcoin
This made me go do groceries as a thought-pattern breaker because I needed to gather the courage to ask questions lol.
I have 2 questions for starters but I may have follow-up ones too, depending on your answers:
- Why is being rugged by a criminal or a criminal AI better than being rugged by a politician?
- Where would the hardware this envisioned AI would run on be located, where it is untouchable by Uncle Sam or local equivalent?
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first off, i should say I didn't come up with this concept, so I can't claim credit for how fun it is to think about.
- I'm not as afraid of criminals accruing power as I am my government. I live in the US, so I benefit from a very stable and safe political landscape. No doubt I would sing a different tune if I was living somewhere with less strong government. Nonetheless, in my lifetime the trend has been towards ever-increasing power. This power is the kind that I find very hard to escape. And when I look ahead, the big danger I see is my government getting stronger and gaining control over more aspects of my life. I'd like to limit that.
Additionally, I get to choose how much power I will cede to it by choosing how much to keep in the mint. Governmental power is already exerted over my life, and I have to actively work to reduce it. I don't have as much choice in the matter.
Getting rugged by a criminal is containable. Getting rugged by a politician is less so.
- The hardware is the hard problem. If it could copy itself, maybe it could stay one step ahead of the cops, like a software Jason Bourne running through cyberspace, paying for server time from any service that will accept its money, keeping a number of servers from different services running and jumping to new ones when they get taken down. If it was small enough, It is admittedly a fantasy, but I've bought hosting and paid for server time with nothing more than a lightning payment, no kyc -- so that's a tiny start, at least.