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213 sats \ 6 replies \ @siggy47 11h \ on: I am into Bitcoin. Where are my fellow liberals? bitcoin
I don't agree with maybe half of what you say, but I'm glad you're here and speaking up. I don't see how real liberals like many of my friends can't embrace the ideas of Alex Gladstein or Anita Posch.
Welcome. I hope to see you engaged in many fiesty but civil arguments here, and I sure as hell hope you find your fellow progressives here someday.
I don't see how real liberals like many of my friends can't embrace the ideas of Alex Gladstein or Anita Posch.
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A gay woman and an economic-liberal walk into a bar discussing the HRF (human rights foundation) and what do they promote?
Bitcoin. But I almost never see this
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I think there is a false right/left idea in bitcoin. It seems like the right is for bitcoin but 99.9% of the right wing people I know are clueless about it. The number of people that get bitcoin is tiny. Many in the know are very liberal in their thinking. They just aren't socialists for the most part. They also may not be fans of American capitalism. It's nuanced.
The other side is most people are being programmed by their side's propaganda. They aren't thinking deeply from my experience. This is why so many progressives are opposed to bitcoin. They have been told it's bad. On both sides it is rare to find people that challenge their priors. Those that do usually end up leaving their "team" and becoming either independent or some sort of libertarian or anarchist.
I have friends all over the place politically and many of them tell me they don't agree with me but they can discuss politics and the world with me without fear. Its sad to me that people are so afraid and invested in this nonsense we call US politics. Its not working and that's not new. Trump is a reflection of both sides. He's a result not a cause. He's the dam not the flood. I don't fear him in the slightest. I fear the hatred and disillusionment that created his rise. Half of the people are fed up with the system (as they see it) and the other half want it back as it was. It's not going back, but the new right hasn't won either.
If people can't leave each other alone in my view the US needs to break up into smaller units that can agree or at least agree to disagree.
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Appreciate this write up, Kepford.
Stacker News is great for these nuanced takes.
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People and the world are far more nuanced and complex than politicians, and other authority figures paint them. For all people I think there is massive value in understanding that there are people that want to manipulate us for their own purposes. These people often think their purposes are good and right. Its not that the right is full of people that want the world to be terrible. Its not the case on the left either. Most people want a better world. They just don't agree on how we get there. It took me many years to understand that you are never gonna get people to get in line with the way I think things should be.
I try to follow the golden rule in these areas. Don't straw man. Listen and be comfortable both disagreeing and saying I don't know the answer. People in general are far to comfortable ordering others around and using force on other people. This goes for both parties and isn't new. Until we learn to respect each other's right to autonomy it won't end. Instead we surrender that autonomy to strong men(Trump) or strong systems (Democracy, Socialism) and want to give ourselves up to them to fix things. The truth is that its up to each person to build a strong family, and community. Take responsibility for themselves and help where they can.
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Yes!
Conversations are fruitful when you actually listen to people and ask follow up questions in response to things which they hold to be important.
Seeking to convince people about something they are not interested in is, perhaps, little more than an ego trip.
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