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continuing the topic, because why not?! #1059650
Here's a piece from latest Reason Print mag, about airline miles -- the most established private money shitcoin in tradfi land. Everyone's got them, everyone hates them, and some even push them.
We learned, interestingly enough, during the pandemic when the airlines wanted money that financial markets were willing to collateralize not the planes, not the slot times but the LOYALTY SCAM/BONUS PROGRAMS. That's all that have economic value.

Like I say around here: Harvard University is a hedge fund with some educational activities on the side; airlines a loyalty program with associated shitcoin tokens, moonlighting as a transportation service.

Alright, I've thought about this a bunch (since one of my best mates legit works for one of these scam schemes, #1025290)

"Selling miles to banks has represented the entire profit at American Airlines, suggesting that they otherwise lose money moving passengers from one place to another on their planes."

I joined my first frequent flyer program—American AAdvantage—before a trip to Australia in 1991. Sadly, I let those miles expire. Five years later I was out of college, flying regularly for work, and reading all the materials airlines used to send in the mail. Poring over the terms and conditions, I saw where I could earn 5,000 MileagePlus miles for buying four sodas in four different restaurants. I picked up 40,000 British Airways miles for getting someone at a Jaguar dealership to fill out a form saying my family and I had test driven a car. I went to a Bosley hair loss consultation for 10,000 Delta SkyMiles (I had a lot more hair back then). I bought Emmi cheese and enough magazine subscriptions to fly on the Concorde.
Also, heads-up to author I mentioned in the other post:
Growing up, I used to fly back and forth between my home in New York and where my dad lived in California. I would look at the first-class cabin longingly, thinking I would never be able to afford to sit there (and that I couldn't fathom spending so much even if I had the means).
UNFORTUNATELY, the author of this Reason piece takes a disgusting turn... instead of realizing the fuckery of miles, he celebrates them! Man, imagine a Cantillon pig bragging about his benefits..., or a financially privileged Westerner bragging about his money-printed wealth increase... oh, WAIT, we all do that; fuck.
OK, now I'm officially disgusted:
A Private Fiat Currency—and a Temptation To Inflate. Now we have a private currency—like bitcoin!—but even more anarchist in that there's code but it doesn't serve as law.
...No, not like bitcoin you freakin idiot...
Airline miles are issued by private companies. They can be redeemed for flights, upgrades, car rentals, hotels, merchandise, and more. Miles can be earned not just for travel with the airline, but also for online shopping, gas station fill-ups, credit card spending, real estate transactions, and much else. Since consumers value the currency, airlines are able to sell it to third parties to reward their own customers. Thus, the larger airline frequent flyer programs have their own unregulated currencies that are useful not only within their own business but across businesses, albeit in a mostly closed and controlled ecosystem. They can cancel your miles if you sell them or if you use them in a way they forbid.
Yes, that's a worse money, made by a central entity, that doesn't even circulate among merchants and consumers. It's straight-up a permissioned ledger, centrally controlled by the issuer, that peeps hold and operate entirely by the issuers' decree. It's the worst of all worlds, you asshat.
While some loyalty programs have devalued their points because the programs were set up too generously and nobody realized it before it was too late [...] mostly frequent flyer miles become consistently less valuable for much simpler monetarist reasons. As when the Federal Reserve expands the money supply faster than the economy grows, you get airline loyalty price inflation—it's either that or shortages, where the airline just has to tell customers "no" when they want to redeem their miles.
LOL, as if it's the Fed inflating miles (priced as they are in dollars!)
...and I can't believe I come down siding with a politician! Disgusting but true:
Banks pay airlines for miles, and they rebate a portion (sometimes all) of the credit card swipe fees to consumers to encourage transactions on their product. That helps them generate charge volume and attract consumer lending. Customers who pay their bill in full each month come out the best: They get the rebate without giving the bank interest on revolving balances. Lower card swipe fees mean less valuable rewards. Durbin wants to redistribute money from banks and consumers to retailers, and consumers don't want to give up their miles. So, Durbin wants to say that those miles aren't actually such a great deal for consumers after all. His efforts culminated, near the end of Joe Biden's presidency, in a regulatory probe into the inner workings of loyalty programs. It's not clear yet where that effort will go under President Donald Trump.
Abolish that shit... by way of legal/regulatory means if need be.
I hate dealing with airline miles. I let my wife deal with all that stuff. Ain't got no time for that shizz!
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same, it's fucking pathetic. The only one I can stomach is Icelandair, with fake numbers on an account (where all my flights are) and are used up to save me some microscopic amount of fiat for the next flight.
Today, when I tried to buy something with British Airways/Finnair credits, turns out you could only pay up for a full thing, or nothing at all. FUCKING PATHETIC!
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44 sats \ 3 replies \ @gmd 22h
It can be a fun hobby- one of the few that potentially pay you. If you don't actively enjoy trying to game the banks and getting "deals" then it's probably not worth the time vs getting 2-3 cards or a flat cashback system (throw in HYSA or buy BTC)
I churn cards for the signup bonuses, and generally it seems Chase points ->Hyatt gives you reliable redemption value you don't have to think too much about. Beyond that I find I don't have the mental bandwidth to try to squeeze more value out of airline points.
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Beyond that I find I don't have the mental bandwidth to try to squeeze more value out of airline points.
that's fair: if you find a hack that at least gives you a little bit of useful value, stick with it. It does make me feel a little dirty/filthy running around thinking which card is best suited for which spend -- that's the kind of shit I don't want to keep track of and that shouldn't exist, you know!
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29 sats \ 1 reply \ @gmd 22h
haha it really makes ZERO sense but i get annoyed when I accidentally use a 3% card when I could have used a 4% card on my apple pay LOL
I really enjoy periodically looking at my Fold card BTC returns (most of which I accumulated pre 2023 before they nerfed a lot of rewards) which has since nearly quadrupled in dollar value and keeps going up.
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yeah, my projection (after having talked to my friend about this for, I dunno, 20 hours) is that all these rewards programs will be eaten by bitcoin.
Just pure satsback is simpler and cleaner; the money is better. No point fucking around.
(of course, it'll mostly mean that they die, since they won't be profitable on bitcoin, given that their value comes from printing worth ledger entries and selling/giving/redeeming them for positive prices)
I am hooked on my Marriott points lol
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If this is somehow borne out of credit card fees, then eventually bitcoin fixes this. No new regulation needed.
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53 sats \ 1 reply \ @kepford 22h
Yeah, it is regulated. The whole industry is. It's the main reason it sucks so much
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53 sats \ 0 replies \ @kepford 22h
That and the many many bailouts. Let companies die. It's how markets heal.
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beautiful
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