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Climate activist dinner tonight; wife said limit the bitcoin. What to do?
1710 sats \ 18 comments \ @Scoresby 5h bitcoin
Last year, I was faced with a similar quandary (#413085) -- except in that instance, I was asked not to speak about bitcoin at all. This time, she's open to me broaching the orange subject.
(I'm making homemade pizzas: sausage, sage, and spicy honey / white sauce, gruyere, lemon, and arugula / chorizo, scamorza, diced tomato / ricotta, summer squash, and mint / vanilla ice cream sundaes with peanuts and hot fudge)
My question is how best to bring up Bitcoin:
WHAT YOU GONNA DO WHEN YOU'RE DEBANKED?6.7%
LOAD BALANCING AND GRID STABILIZATION40.0%
WHAT HAPPENED IN 1971?40.0%
LASER EYES LIOTTA COMES TO TOWN13.3%
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382 sats \ 1 reply \ @SimpleStacker 5h
You could attack Trump and the crypto grifters and then after you rant about that, you say, "Bitcoin is the only real innovation."
Psychologically, they latch onto you as an ally when you start attacking Trump and crypto. But then you surprise them with your positive view of Bitcoin. It will make them wonder how you could hold these two views together.
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35 sats \ 0 replies \ @Undisciplined 3h
I think this is the right approach. Once people like you, they're willing to listen, so throw some red meat to those lions.
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143 sats \ 0 replies \ @LibertasBR 5h
“ Have you also noticed that money is no longer worth what it used to be?”
As climate activists, you can cite the fact that Bitcoin mining helps the environment by consuming energy that would otherwise be wasted, contrary to what critics say.
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53 sats \ 4 replies \ @didiplaywell 1h
I wouldn't, specially if he is a climate activist. He will make the point on how bad bitcoin is for the climate due to it's energy consumption and you will end up having a nasty debate that you will not win because for a climate activist any energy consumption above zero is sacrilege, and you will make everyone uncomfortable for the rest of the night. Don't do it.
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40 sats \ 2 replies \ @Undisciplined 37m
I didn’t credit you with that kind of restraint.
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53 sats \ 1 reply \ @didiplaywell 23m
LOL I understand what you mean :P I hate wasting my time in pointless discussion in private spaces, especially since it isn't appropriate to begin with. I have never started a debate on politics nor economy in social encounters. Not even once. Yet to my surprise, since everyone knows I'm heavily embedded on this subjects, it's everyone else who start me on them, and even then I limit what I say to what's appropriate for such contexts.
One of the funniest cases was on a friend's birthday, in which he asked me to please not to talk about politics since he had some leftist acquittances, and I assured him that I had no prior intention on doing so for it wasn't appropriate. I obliged to my word, yet some beers afterwards this friend was trying to start me debating with his friends just to see the world burn 😂 (of course I limited myself to do it on good humour).
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60 sats \ 0 replies \ @Undisciplined 19m
I also never bring up politics (or any of my other weird views) with most people, unless someone asks what I think. I share your view about it being pointless.
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @SimpleStacker 11m
any energy consumption above zero is sacrilege
Then that person shouldn't eat.
On a serious note, I would say to a climate activist that Bitcoin's energy use, on a per kwh basis, is cleaner than the average energy use in the economy. So you have to also think Bitcoin is worthless in order to criticize its energy use, and so I'd ask "Why do you think Bitcoin is worthless?"
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103 sats \ 0 replies \ @grayruby 3h
All of the above. Better to ask forgiveness than permission.
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102 sats \ 1 reply \ @satgoob 3h
Ask whether we should all just move back into caves ffs
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102 sats \ 0 replies \ @satgoob 3h
Like bitcoin is a need, electricity is a need, data centers are need. Unless you want to go preindustrial, then figure out a solution (hint: renewables and battery storage are improving rapidly, and I expect they will be virtually all our power in 50 years with gas as backup) rather than trying to hamper technological progress. Human ingenuity is a powerful thing, we can solve stuff
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103 sats \ 2 replies \ @denlillaapan 3h
where's the "Divorce" option...?
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @Scoresby OP 5m
Well, but I love her.
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @Luxas 3h
This. If she's not on board, not worth the pain when she tries to take more than half after it creates generational wealth. Then she'll claim she was the one that pushed him into buying the bitcoin in the first place lmao.
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102 sats \ 1 reply \ @Signal312 4h
Dang, you're quite the chef!
Money in historical context - money printing in the past (even Gengis Khan in China!), money printing throughout history, how it always happens, and it's happening now. How SCARICITY is the one thing that freely chosen money has always had.
Anyway...historical references work well for me. Now sure about others...
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5 sats \ 0 replies \ @SimpleStacker 2h
Seriously, with that yummy sounding food, he could make an Orange Pilling Lesson a prerequisite to getting served food
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @Solomonsatoshi 1h
Fiat debt slavery is designed to and does drive excessive inflation and of course debt. Part of the answer to climate change is a monetary system that encourages saving and thrift (which BTC does!) and encourages more capital direction by the holders of accumulated liquid capital (which is Bitcoin!). The fiat debt slavery bankers cartel has enslaved not just citizens but governments. They own most governments and prevent the meaningful response that is required to the real challenge that is our current culture of debt fueled over consumption. IMO, Do NOT try to argue against the climate change issue itself- instead emphasize that Bitcoin by empowering people and encouraging saving and thrift is a major way of combating climate change. Personally I believe climate change is real- there can be argument about the edges but the core science is established- trying to debate that will send you and the Bitcoin narrative you raise toward the loony bin. Bitcoin is about a major change in the monetary system- from one controlled and manipulated by bankers and politicians to one that treats all people equally without fear or favour- Bitcoin would modify peoples attitude toward spending and saving empowering them to live more sustainable less debt driven consumption centred lives.
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @025738dda8 2h
What about limiting fiat and not talk about it anymore? It seems to be much worse when it comes to the climate...
https://cointelegraph.com/news/banking-uses-56-times-more-energy-than-bitcoin-valuechain-report
Paper: https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=4125499
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