I'm not so clued up with LN vs Bitcoin mainchain. Is it the invoice string itself? The preimage?
515 sats \ 8 replies \ @weimartifacts 17 Dec 2022
Show preimage.
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10 sats \ 1 reply \ @cryptocoin 17 Dec 2022
Let's say I am using Wallet of Satoshi. So I can see the LN invoice I paid, but no preimage.
Let's say I am paying a retailer in El Salvador who uses Chivo wallet. And their wallet doesn't show my payment. Even if I had the preimage it doesn't help the retailer. So I'ld need to find out that they were using Chivo and then contact Chivo to try and get the payment delivered to the retailer.
Custodial services have convenience, but at an expense in time spent when things go wrong.
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5 sats \ 0 replies \ @1sats 18 Dec 2022
how about wrap your payment with ln proxy (or any trusted 3rd party)?
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10 sats \ 0 replies \ @cryptocoin 17 Dec 2022
Let's say I am using Wallet of Satoshi. So I can see the LN invoice I paid, but no preimage.
Let's say I am paying a retailer in El Salvador who uses Chivo wallet. And their wallet doesn't show my payment. Even if I had the preimage it doesn't help the retailer. So I'ld need to find out that they were using Chivo and then contact Chivo to try and get the payment delivered to the retailer.
Custodial services have convenience, but at an expense in time spent when things go wrong.
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0 sats \ 4 replies \ @afizzycola OP 17 Dec 2022
Thanks for the response. The preimage will only be known by the payer and payee right?
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10 sats \ 3 replies \ @weimartifacts 17 Dec 2022
Preimage is known to every node on the path of the payment as it settles. Receiver gets it in the end so this is actual proof-of-payment.
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15 sats \ 2 replies \ @afizzycola OP 17 Dec 2022
Does that mean that one of those nodes on the path could say that they were payer of the invoice?
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32 sats \ 1 reply \ @DarthCoin 17 Dec 2022
Watch
Onion Routing with HTLCs on the Lightning Network explained!
TLDR: no, those nodes in the path are only "forwarders", they don't know too much or nothing.
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @Lumor 17 Dec 2022
(The intermediate nodes all see the pre-image but cannot know the exact destination node (unless the next-to-last node knows the last node is a dead end with only one channel)).
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23 sats \ 0 replies \ @DarthCoin 17 Dec 2022
OK, start reading and learn more. Here is a compilation of a lot of LN resources:
- The Lightning Network and the airport analogy
- Big collection of resources, documentation, guides, tutorials, services, etc about LN
You asked a good question btw. That means you want to learn. You are on the right path.
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