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There are definitely some Democrat-run cities that are trending in the Argentinian direction (as you described it, I had no idea it was like that), but I've felt perfectly safe almost everywhere I've ever been in America and I've been to every part of the country. Until very recently I mostly lived in low income areas, too.
Even in the most dangerous cities, the crime is usually (historically) isolated to very small areas that are very easy to avoid.
so basically, stay away from the Hood type situation?
how about school shootings and random acts that seem to keep happening?
There are hundreds of millions of people here. All kinds of crazy shit happens, but that doesn't make it common.
I think there's only one county in America that's ever had more than two mass shootings (it's in the Denver area and has had 3). There are more than 3000 counties in this country and almost all of them have never had a single mass shooting.
In grad school, I was trying to do a research project about mass shootings and there were so few that it was really difficult to do any kind of statistical analysis.
i mean, it is way more common in the US than seemingly anywhere else though (shool shootings, not always mass school shootings).
I don't give it a ton of thought, since you know, i'm not there, but asked chatgpt:
-Using the K-12 School Shooting Database (very broad: gun brandished/fired or bullet hits school property), there were ≈1,468 incidents in the past decade, a ~324% jump vs. the prior decade.
Other trackers use stricter definitions and get much smaller counts (e.g., Everytown’s “gunfire on school grounds,” Education Week’s K-12 list, and the Washington Post’s database). They all agree the trend rose sharply in recent years. -
Then i asked what other countries rank in the school shooting list and it gave me this
*There isn’t a single, reliable global database with apples-to-apples rates. The best-known cross-country snapshot (CNN’s compilation Jan-2009→May-2018; incidents with ≥1 person shot) shows the U.S. far ahead and the next countries a tiny fraction of that:
United States — 288
Mexico — 8
South Africa — 6
Pakistan — 4
Nigeria — 4
could still be an interesting research project i think
Notice that CNN is including "gun brandished", which is not a shooting. These metrics are really tricky when you start parsing them and it doesn't help that many outlets are intentionally misleading in how they report them.
There are a lot of gang related incidents on or near school grounds in the kinds of neighborhoods I said needed to be avoided. Most researchers don't include those as mass shootings, though, and they only count them as school shootings if they happen during school hours with targets in the student population.
If there's one thing that, as a social scientist, I'd like to communicate to the world, it's this:
Sociological data has to be collected and produced by someone, and the entity producing it is often not a neutral scientific observer. It is usually either a government agency or an interested third party. Moreover, different jurisdictions tend to have different data collection procedures, making cross country comparisons difficult
That's not to say you should distrust every report using sociological data, but it does mean that you should always have in the back of your mind how these statistics were collected and produced. It's often harder than you think to collect an accurate picture of what's going on.
The left knows that black males, age 15-40, commit well over 50 percent of the most violent crimes in America, while comprising about 3 percent of the population. They know it and privately navigate accordingly, but few speak of it, and none seem to have answers to it. So the topic remains taboo
@Undisciplined that's a bizarre representation of Argentina. We have poverty and crime but nothing like that (in most areas around the country).
"Trust me", "not exaggerating in the least"... this person is troubled and pouring his heavy bias toward the whole country as if it was some kind of African nation.
Good to know
Without precise frequencies stated for these kinds of events, I suppose there's a lot of room for perceptions to differ, depending on things like risk aversion.
This guy has never left his pretty neighborhood, hence his pink colored glasses. He mocks my expressions but use the same to hold on his point. I use those expressions because I have already proved to you my points with sources so I assume you will know by now that if I say something is because I can prove it. If you still distrust me, here:
- https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Villa_miseria
- https://www.batimes.com.ar/news/argentina/report-reveals-most-unsafe-cities-in-argentina.phtml#:~:text=Rosario%20suffered%20the%20most%20crimes,del%20Plata%20and%20Villa%20Gesell.
Ask this guy to show you a place in the country that do not looks like a Villa Miseria and he will show you pictures of the same neighborhoods within 3 or 4 capitals. Not all places of those capitals because most also look like "misery valleys".
This account is excellent at showing the crude reality of what I'm talking about. This is most of Argentina:
There are definitely some Democrat-run cities that are trending in the Argentinian direction
Could you name some?
i mean, where I'm at is crazy safe, but it's all about perspective i suppose.
Is Argentina really that fucked?
I mean i'm used to hearing about inflation and things from there, but never looked much into other aspects, have you seen any improvements at all under Mile?
Is Argentina really that fucked?
Have you ever seen one of those Middle East war movies? Those places are so much tidier. Somalia had concrete roads at least. Google "Argentina Villa 31", "Argentina la Matanza", "Argentina Crimes", "Argentina Villa Miseria", etc. What you will see is how the vast majority of the country's landscape and day-to-day life looks like for most people. I'm one of the fortunate ones, and even I have always felt like walking over the ruins of what was once a country. I still have the vivid memory of sleepless nights as a child, as my neighborhood was scourged by a crime wave for it was "liberated", which is the term the police uses to designate the zones where crime will be legal for a period of time (I'm not joking). Some zones remain like that forever. Yet in my years of helping Milei's political effort I traveled more throughout my city and province and saw absolute perdition.
any improvements at all under Mile
As bad as my city is, everything pales in comparison to Santa Fe province, which before Milei was under strict control of drug cartels, razed by murder and crime. When he came into power the province had to be intervened by force. It improved dramatically. That in itself was already an historical change. However, that's what was under his control for it was a decision he could take. The rest of the provinces remain under control of the soviet landlords, and remain as terrible. The infamous "Conurbano", known as "Mordor" for good reason, remains hell on earth, as its current landlord imposes ever higher taxes.
What Milei was able to achieve with what little he has is a miracle that shouldn't have been possible. Since the monetary system was something under his effective control, his plan was to shut it down to end the infinite source of money that allowed the ever growing state expansion of the landlords, a tool that has always allowed them to hold people hostage amidst poverty (if you complain at anything, no more subsidies or state position), shutting down complaints on crime and state wrongdoings out of fear, making of crime a de-facto parastatal intimidating force, keeping the self feeding cycle of ever increasing power going on for decades.
thanks for sharing, im going to give those a google , dont hear much in the media about agentina apart from the liberal press trying to shit on Milei
thanks for sharing
My pleasure, I appreciate your interest in such matters.
apart from the liberal press trying to shit on Milei
It's impressive how much attention they devote to him. It's truly an honor, and an authoritative affirmation that he's on the right track.
"I'm not exaggerating in the least"
lol ok
If you live in a shithole in Argentina maybe. I feel safer here than in the USA.
You got it backwards. Everywhere is a shithole by default. You're living in one of the few places that might be not one, albeith superficially.
Choose to focus on the negative, you will see it everywhere
I actually had a really hard time trying to do the exact opposite until the sheer weight of reality won. Choose to focus on the positive, you will only see it in a few places.
Trust me, you are safe in the US. God forbid you ever get the Argentinean experience of living in fear every single day. The fear of not knowing if you're going to make it back home from work, or if you are even going to find your home as you left it. Getting back to a fully empty house is normal. And hoppeles: you will never recover what's stolen. Stealing is practically legal. Trying to get your stuff back is practically illegal, and god forbid you find the one who did it, because you're going to have to move to another city, which is the norm, and what the police itself will kindly advise you to do.
I'm not exaggerating in the least. When Iran started to bomb Israel some months ago, hundreds of videos went viral here of Argentinians who emigrated to Israel who where calming down their relatives saying that they felt pretty secure and actually feared more for their relatives back in Argentina.
I would go to live in the US right now, just like it is right now.
That said, the way to keep the standard high is to worry whenever it's felt it's getting lower, so keep it that way. Just don't lose the reference of where you're at.