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Which public Christians did you see worshipping the state?
Worshiping might be a bit strong but unordered faith is more fair.
I say worship more when describing what I see in our culture.
Statues, temples(grand buildings), positions of honor, sacred texts, etc. Back in the earlier 2000s I realized I had unordered faith in controlling the state. I was not trusting in God but instead more in men. Getting the "right" men in positions of power. I was beginning to learn just how deep the rot was in the system and I started to realize that I had far too much hope in the systems of men. I felt a deep conviction for this personally. I can't see inside of people's hearts but the fruit seems to point to a very similar heart condition in many of my brothers and sisters.
I'm not saying Christians should not be involved or care, but it can become out of order. Reno talks about this in "Return of the Strong Gods" with nationalism. There is always the danger present.
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I should also add, I grew up in churches that had US flags on the stage. Where military service was celebrated from the stage. These things were like water to a fish for me. By that I mean invisible. These types of things now bother me on a deep level. But I want to be clear. It doesn't bother me as a Christian that people care about politics or vote. My concern with all of these things is not that the Church would have to strong of an influence on the state. But that the state would grow in the minds of believers and increase its influence on the Church.
When we look to the state first over the church and Christ we have something off. I think this is wildly common in the church today in the US at least.
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Ah, have you heard of Mark Dever? He's an influential pastor based in Washington DC. He has stories about the fights he had to go through to get his church to take the flag off the stage when he first got there as a new pastor.
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No but its been a very long time since I was a part of church that does this. I have heard many conservative Christian pastors oppose this practice as well.
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Its been too long but I do recall moderate republican commentators who say they are Christian showing grave concern. I'd also add that those whose actions tell us they think a nation can turn to god by elections have their idea of state above that of God. I think many moderate political Christians haven't come to grips with how much they have in common with Christian Nationalists. These people get incredibly angry that the right doesn't support gun control actions. Oppose higher taxes and more welfare programs. They will use the Scripture as a justification for their own policy prescriptions. Prescriptions that require violence from the state to enforce. The claim the problem with Christian Nationalism is that religion is influencing the state, but are blind to how their religious views are influencing their politics as well. The difference between the two is simply their political views. Both sides want the ring of power.
I know personally people that wept on J6 because of what was happening. I still hear Christians bring it up. Now, I do share their concern that people are so wrapped up in politics that they prostrate themselves before the political figures of the right. But they seem to not see how they hold the state in just as high of a place. They may not hold a specific man in this high place but they hold the institutions in the high place.
The thing is... public Christians that oppose Trump are largely pretty irrelevant in my view. They are siding with a larger movement that is openly opposed to faith. Sure, you can have private faith but don't talk about it or offend anyone with it.
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Weeping over J6? Man, we must be getting our news from very different sources
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Not news... people I know. And yes, they get their news from the corporate media. That's a root problem
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