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There was some statistical kerfuffle, I believe last summer(?), between publications in the FT and WSJ, claiming completely opposite results: young people are POORER than previous generations vs young people are RICHER than previous generations.
It all basically came down to uses of different price indices, highlighting how specific version of deflators like CPI matters not just on the margin for assessing what is and isn't happening in our (monetary) economies.
Here's John Stossel for Reason ridiculing all these silly online trolls who got it into their thick heads that young people are doing poorly:
One popular meme says when baby boomers like me were young, "A family could own a home, a car, and send their kids to college, all on one income." "That's a fantasy," says economist Norbert Michel. "We are much better off than we were."
On social media, many young people say things like, "Most people don't live in houses because it's too expensive." Yes, homes cost more now, but census data show more Americans own their homes now than when I was a kid. And today's homes are much bigger and twice as likely to have central air, dishwashers, garbage disposals, etc.
which, of course is why we get graphs like these...

OOOPS, Messrs Stossel and Michel

No idea what figures they're looking at to reach these conclusions, honestly.
The following, though, I actually believe is correct:
Today, Americans actually spend a smaller percentage of our money on food, clothing, and housing than we used to, according to Bureau of Labor Statistics survey data. Few people flew places for vacation. They didn't have the money, and flying cost much more. Adjusted for inflation, a cross-country flight cost $1,000. Now it's about $300. "People did not just go on vacation," says Michel, "did not fly all across the country."

"Gen Z, overall, is doing better than young people once did. A typical 25-year-old Gen Zer has annual household income that's 50 percent above Baby Boomers'."

Again, double-check the numbers (and price index deflators) on such claims.
Finally, yes, it's true—a family could own a car. But it wasn't anything like today's cars. It wasn't as safe or comfortable, and it broke down sooner. Today's cars last more than twice as long as cars did then.
OK fine, but SHOW ME the shitty cars I can buy? Oh, they're illegal bc regulations, and too gas-guzzling for California? Hm, ok, so technically they're cheaper but practically they're not...?
that's cool, but again, those houses and cars aren't really available, are they?
I'm with the internet trolls and doomers on this one.
SHOW ME the shitty cars I can buy?
I think that's the heart of the matter and why there's truth to what both camps are saying.
We are productive enough to afford to live like people did in the 50's, but it's f'ing illegal to do so.
The nice thing about this situation is that they could hypothetically just decriminalize that lifestyle.
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While I am very sympathetic to the houses and cars are nicer and bigger than before and we made it illegal to build 'em shitty like we used to viewpoint...
I have torn apart a few old houses in my day and am currently living in a 2000s era house which I am tearing apart -- and there's no contest: the old houses were better built, with nicer materials, and many of their elements were 50 to 100 years old. The house I am currently in will be lucky to still stand at age 50 and I'm confident that none of the fixtures will survive that long.
I do believe we've regulated ourselves into expensive lifestyles. But real actual inflation pumping assets deserves a healthy dose of blame here.
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144 sats \ 3 replies \ @kepford 19h
The old vs last 30 years thing rings true for me as well. We have better technology today but fiat encouraged high time preference means we get things that are not built to last. The critique most heard regarding disposable products is that it is a side effect of capitalism. This is false. It's a side effect of central banks fiat money.
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73 sats \ 2 replies \ @kepford 19h
Fast, cheap, good. You can't have all three. We pick fast and cheap these days. Even with fiat I think it's important to accept responsibility. I swear I HATE the passive blame the boomers mentality. It's weak. Grow up. Man up. You think you can do better? Do it. Feels like these types of critiques are coming from a generation of spoiled kids that were told they are winners. Lied to about the world. Guess what. We all were. Now what? We have bitcoin. We have our lives. Make the world better. Won't happen while we make excuses why it's so hard for us.
My dad was born dirt poor. Literally in a one room cabin. Never finished High School. He worked hard so I would have a better start. I'm trying to do the same for my sons. No one owes us anything. I have far more opportunities than my father had and my sons have more than I had. It's an amazing time to be alive. It's what we make of it.
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I've never seen anyone try to quantify this point, but I'd be very interested in it.
My dad also grew up in the kind of poverty that most westerners really can't imagine today. I got an immeasurably better start than he did and we're hoping to give our daughter a better starting place than we got.
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42 sats \ 0 replies \ @kepford 18h
I haven't either. Like most ideas from the left... those that repeat them rarely have much logic or depth on the subject. I have thought for many years that most of these things like this are just convenient excuses to avoid looking at yourself in the mirror. I get it. I am not all that I can be or all that I want to be. But blaming others (even when valid) isn't a solution.
One of my favorite things Jordan Peterson says is that all of us have been wronged. Some more heavily than others. What matters is how we respond. If we just sit in our sorrow and focus on things outside of our control we will never grow. We have to fight against staying victims of our circumstances. Living as a victim is no way to live and it feels like we have at least one generation of people that internalized this and have quit before they even tried.
I know this is not everyone in the younger generations because I know plenty that reject this mentality. I think many are sick of living in sorrow and pity. Its no way to live. We actually live in an amazing time and I try to express that to my sons even though there is a lot to complain about and improve. Who is gonna do it? If not us, who?
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102 sats \ 0 replies \ @kepford 19h
real actual inflation pumping assets deserves a healthy dose of blame here
Amen
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I totally agree with that. It's a very complex picture, isn't it?
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49 sats \ 1 reply \ @Scoresby 7 Oct
Yeah. Maybe that's why people put up with inflation so long. All the moving parts and you only occasionally get clear glimpses of the thing.
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42 sats \ 0 replies \ @kepford 19h
Yep, we like simple stories with bad guys and good guys
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Fucking illegal, LOL!
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Exactly.
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44 sats \ 0 replies \ @siggy47 23h
An unscientific gauge, but when we were young (ages 15-35) our social lives revolved around drinking in bars every damn weekend. I'm not recommending that lifestyle, but just about everyone could afford it.
No young people can afford to do that anymore. Hell, after a lifetime of working, I can't afford to do that now.
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Let's just forget about the unfunded liabilities and demographic decline I suppose...
Boomers haven't paid for their elderly care, it's being paid for with debt and taxes. But the capacity to borrow and to tax is decreasing, so at some point the rug will be pulled, but it's ok because Boomers might be dead by then.
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Bah, by all the metrics that are supposed to make for a good life: having relationships, getting married, having children, owning your own property, young people seem to be doing much worse than previous generations at the same age. It doesn't matter how much technology is in their pocket, or how much doordash they can order.
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As a Boomer I may be biased, but imo there is truth in both sides of this debate. Over my lifetime here in New Zealand debt has become normalised- I bought my first house with cash, no debt, and it cost one years wages for unskilled labour. I could go to university and the annual fees were about $100 - plus the government gave a living allowance enough to live on. Today houses are relatively more expensive and so is study. Student debt has become standard and normalised. I am staggered by how much debt young people must take on just to study or buy a home and how normalised huge debts have become. Call me an old socialist but allowing commercial banks to profit from housing speculation as neoliberalism did has caused a huge shift away from them funding productive investments and toward funding the housing bubble. And government making education into a debt funded commodity, rather than seeing it as an investment in building a skilled workforce... Market forces do not always produce the best results. Today the banks have too much power and profit too much from asset price speculation rather than being required to only issue fiat debt capital toward productive purposes.
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